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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UN Women to Replace “Women” with “Gender”

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JackyHolyoake · 26/07/2019 06:21

c-fam.org/friday_fax/un-women-to-replace-women-with-gender

" NEW YORK, July 26 (C-Fam) The UN agency for women announced last week it is no longer focused on women’s rights but rather “equality of all genders,” including LGBTIQ+. The announcement came at a UN event called “Gender Diversity Beyond Binaries.” "

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StopThePlanet · 26/07/2019 06:24

FFS

Dystopian nightmare

SlocombePooter · 26/07/2019 06:33

I'm sure the heterosexual men and women in the audience were suitably impressed at being told they are lesser.

Honestly, the speaker is raving bonkers. If this is truly the new focus of the group, then they should disband, as no longer doing their job.

HandsOffMyRights · 26/07/2019 06:56

Sex matters.

amp.insider.com/india-investigates-why-no-baby-girls-born-in-uttarkashi-2019-7

53rdWay · 26/07/2019 07:08

Is there another source on this? I can’t see anything on the UN Women page saying they’re ditching ‘women’ - www.unwomen.org/en C-FAM are a very right-wing Catholic think-tank and have their own issues with women’s rights.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 26/07/2019 07:41

"Mlambo-Ngcuka admitted a lack of support from the General Assembly"

So nothing is going to happen yet I guess, I think the source is a bit dodgy too, but it's worth trying to find out more.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 26/07/2019 07:52

Katlego Kai Kolanyane-Kesupile told heterosexual women and men in the audience, “We are more than you and essentially you need to learn how to become a bit more like us.”

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katlego_Kai_Kolanyane-Kesupile

Goldsmiths again. Lol.

I wonder if the article translated that correctly though, it seems a strange quote.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 26/07/2019 08:20

so UN Women Executive Director Mfuzile Mlambo-Ngcuka wants to direct her efforts to overturn laws in the seventy nations that still do not sanction homosexual sex?

sounds like she needs to change jobs. because I don't think all is rosy in the garden for women, so she should be busy

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 26/07/2019 08:22

Oh OK, so the loon who told heterosexual women that they are 'less than us' (if the translation is correct) was Katlego Kai Kolanyane-Kesupile who is a poet, not part of the UN.

that was quite a confusing article

KatvonHostileExtremist · 26/07/2019 08:25

A poet! Nay!

A PERFORMANCE poet, no less.

I think this is just a fringe meeting, that included some UN people.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 26/07/2019 08:26

Bet they aren't as good as Travis Alabanza

KatvonHostileExtremist · 26/07/2019 08:28

OOOO Burgers European tour!!!

www.hackneyshowroom.com/burgerz/

KatvonHostileExtremist · 26/07/2019 08:30

www.hackneyshowroom.com/burgerz/

Don't you dare not work link

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 26/07/2019 08:35

I think this is just a fringe meeting, that included some UN people

yes. while it's seriously worrying that UN employees are even giving the time of day to this nonsense, I don't think this was a policy declaration or owt

like I said, I think the article was probably deliberately confusing to try to push an agenda

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/07/2019 08:35

(Insert sex here) says “We are more than you and essentially you need to learn how to become a bit more like us.”

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 26/07/2019 08:37

and FWR outing to see Burgerz??

GirlDownUnder · 26/07/2019 08:54

This is a very strange thread Grin

and FWR outing to see Burgerz?? Better than Cats is it?¿

KatvonHostileExtremist · 26/07/2019 09:07

Sorry for the derail but performance poetry always inspires me. SO BRAVE! SO STUNNING!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3413953-Burgers-A-Review

PencilsInSpace · 26/07/2019 10:23

Video of the meeting here:

webtv.un.org/meetings-events/other-meetingsevents/watch/gender-diversity-beyond-binaries/6059496917001/

I've just started watching.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/07/2019 11:15

Oh look:

UN Women to Replace “Women” with “Gender”
FormerMediocreMale · 26/07/2019 11:30

Follow the money indeed neurotrash

Fraggling · 26/07/2019 11:39

So this is bollocks then?

The UN aren't getting rid of UN women and rerouting money earmarked to help women and girls away from them?

PencilsInSpace · 26/07/2019 13:27

I'm only about 1/2 hour into the video - I'm transcribing parts of it and will post the most relevant stuff later.

Before the panel starts there's a toe-curlingly bad performance poem by Kay Ulanday Barrett, who identifies as non-binary. I'm not transcribing that because it's too stunning and brave and it would lose its sparkle Smile

The article in the OP is willfully inaccurate.

For example, compare this:

Madrigal-Boloz said his mandate is rooted in “freely determining” ones “genital configuration,” that is backed by a “vigorous human rights framework.”

... with what Madrigal-Boloz actually said (around 26 minutes):

The reality of matters is that all of this makes reference to very simple principles of international law. Amongst them, the idea of freedom in life, the ability of freely determining one's identity, and the idea of autonomy, that is so linked to the notion that nobody's life is to be determined by the circumstances in, or with which, you are born. That there is no inextricable relation between a particular genital configuration and the role that you have to play within a particular society. That there is freedom and autonomy to be implemented in each and every moment of our lives. And this is a vigorous human rights framework.

I'm sure there'll be plenty in here to make our hair stand on end as it is, without taking at face value a rather distorted account from a right wing religious organisation.

RosaFreedman1983 · 26/07/2019 13:57

Good afternoon. I saw this thread and just wanted to clarify some points about the UN and about the side event run by Outright in mid-July. Apologies if these are things you already know -- I thought it worth setting them out just in case it is helpful to anyone here.

The UN is made up of 193 member states, and is served by the secretariat, funds, programmes, and agencies. This means that major decision, like the scope of work of a UN body like UN Women, must be approved either by the General Assembly (if it is a secretariat body) or by the states that sit on what is like a steering group or board of the relevant fund, programme or agency.

Civil society organisations provide crucial expertise to the UN and the member states, including such organisations that are accredited by the UN being able to run side events in UN buildings. Those events may be attended by state delegates and by UN staff, and in set circumstances by civil society organisations, media, or other members of the public. Side events are often co-hosted between civil society and a UN body, and sponsored by a member state. They may have speakers from the UN or member states, amongst others. Recommendations made and expertise provided is not binding on the UN, but rather is informative and may (or often may not) be taken up by states who then seek to use the information to implement the recommendations.

The process of making changes at the UN is similar to any multilateral diplomatic exercise -- it is a process of negotiation between states, regional groups, and political blocs. For non-contentious issues this may be swift, for others it may take some time and may be deeply politicised.

The side event in mid-July was webcast on UN WebTV, as are many events as part of the drive to ensure access and transparency as opposed to the UN being a closed and elitist space. It was held in the margins of the High Level Political Forum on Sustainable Development.

UN Women has a mandate on gender equality and empowerment of women. Its definitions can be found here: www.un.org/womenwatch/osagi/conceptsandefinitions.htm For the mandate of UN Women to change, there would need to be state approval. UN Women has focused on SOGI as part of that mandate, but not in terms of conflating sex and gender identity but rather as part of understanding intersectional challenges and issues.

It would require state approval for the mandate of UN Women to change. And there seems to be little or no indication of that being forthcoming either by consensus or majority.

ArranUpsideDown · 26/07/2019 14:04

Thank you, RosaFreedman1983 - both this and the background that you give in the June Edinburgh event are very helpful:

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