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Why Woke Men Fear Real Feminism - Julie Bindel

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TurnAroundWhenPossible · 24/07/2019 18:00

Interesting article published on the 'Unherd' website today. Wonderful and brave Julie Bindle as eloquent and insightful as ever.

unherd.com/2019/07/why-woke-men-fear-real-feminism/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3

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NoCureForLove · 24/07/2019 18:28

Great article. Thanks for posting it.

Campervan69 · 24/07/2019 18:33

"This merry band of leftist puppets would have it that thosemany thousands of womenattending public meetings to discuss the potential clash of rights between trans people and natal women ifself-identificationis introduced in Britain, are also, by default,homophobic bigots."

Indeed. I'm actually so proud of the grassroots women's movement that has sprung up from all this. I'm sure many of us have rediscovered our feminism having crawled out of the taupor of early motherhood

SophoclesTheFox · 24/07/2019 18:42

Good article, thanks for the share.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 24/07/2019 18:44

Julie Bindel is awesome and that's a powerful article.

And agreed Campervan69 - the growth of an active and vibrant women's movement is wonderful. Yes it's frustrating having to be so cautious and secretive - but OMG - the visible passion, intelligence and commitment and the emergence of some wonderful women putting to shame so many women MPs taking their £££ while throwing away the rights of women and the safety of children.

sawdustformypony · 24/07/2019 18:45

Feminism and the use of the leading question - there's an undergraduate dissertation there for someone.

DeRigueurMortis · 24/07/2019 18:48

Great read - thanks for posting Smile

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 24/07/2019 18:49

It was becoming a mother that revived my feminism. My career in a field where being a woman had been no disadvantage had given me a false sense that all feminism's objectives had been met.

Then I had a baby and all of a sudden I was very obviously a second class citizen. While I was on maternity leave my trainee, who had barely any experience, became my manager. In the end I was forced out.

Bundle's article is, as ever, well written and argued. The blatant misogyny of so many leftie bros is, like my maternity leave experience, proof of how fragile the gains of the women's movement are.

It's very depressing. I suppose one can hope that some of them arguing black is white may take a look at the JY case and have second thoughts but it's a forlorn hope.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 24/07/2019 18:51

Bundle? Bindel. Bloody autocucumber.

Redshoeblueshoe · 24/07/2019 18:53

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing

morningtoncrescent62 · 24/07/2019 19:26

Wow. Julie Bindel is a superstar. In fact, if anyone qualifies as brave and stunning, it's her.

"I have been told by women from a range of backgrounds and circumstances that they feel under pressure to sign up to fun feminism, support “sex work”, stripping, porn, and to chant the mantra, “trans women are women!” They are being groomed into hating actual feminism, and adopting a faux-version that does not challenge men at all."

I'm seeing this with my daughters (in their 20s). They haven't quite signed on the dotted line of TWAW but they've bought the idea of feminism being transphobic and past its sell-by date. I've sent them this article - thanks for posting.

placemats · 24/07/2019 20:08

Intelligent article. If it's any consolation Julie Bindel, if you're reading, my 24 year old daughter is seeing the light and is no longer woke.

Erythronium · 24/07/2019 20:38

"They are being groomed into hating actual feminism, and adopting a faux-version that does not challenge men at all."

Since the 1990s third wave feminism has been the feminism that upholds patriarchal structures and lets men off the hook. Men love it, and trans has given it a whole new lease of life.

NeurotrashWarrior · 24/07/2019 20:52

That's great, thanks.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 25/07/2019 08:45

Male Left-wing misogynists who hate feminism are too cowardly and inadequate to be open about it, and would rather rebrand feminism to suit them.

Male left wing misogynists are attempting to control what are and are not feminist issues. We are allowed to talk about terminations of pregnancy, but not prostitution, surrogacy and what the hell a women is.

It's interesting reading this alongside the Julie Burchill article. Grin

TriptychDebbie · 25/07/2019 09:18

Great article. I'm ashamed to admit that I was one of those libfems who rolled their eyes at the mention of Bindel's name. Not any more.

This bit stood out to me..

"In one sentence, my entire body of work over the past 40 years, including four books on feminism, thousands of articles on rape, domestic violence, child abuse, and trafficking of women, and travelling the world to investigate human rights abuses, is reduced to my views on transgender ideology"

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