New Prison policy on care and management of individuals who are transgender

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Just seen this.

*The care and management of individuals who are transgender

This Policy Framework ensures that transgender individuals are treated with respect and sensitivity while they are in custody, and that the safety of anyone in our care, transgender or not, is prioritised.*

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-care-and-management-of-individuals-who-are-transgender

I haven't read it but I'm pleased it talks about safety of all being prioritised in the opening paragraph.

We shall see if it holds up to scrutiny.

It does use the phrase "assigned at birth" however.

Richard garside has done a thread on it:

mobile.twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1153322675877666821

It does use the phrase "assigned at birth" however.

Then it's worthless isn't it, as much use as gender being used in place of sex.

Useful twitter thread, thanks

Haven't read the full article just the break down in the thread by Richard and it's not good. If a male has a GRC they go in the women's prison. So when they start handing out GRCs like lollipops to anyone who asks they all get to go in the women's prison estate.

Fuckers pretending they give a shit about women when they absolutely do not! FUCK YOU MOJ!

I have read the report. What an absolutely crappy piece of porridge-laden word fog.

"The proper assessment of risk is paramount in the management of all individuals in our care. The management of individuals who are transgender, particularly in custodial and residential settings, must seek to protect both the welfare and rights of the individual and the welfare and rights of others around them, including staff. Decisions must be informed by all available evidence and intelligence in order to achieve an outcome that balances risks and promotes the safety of all in our care and management."

• 44 of the 124 public and private prisons (35%) in England and Wales said that they had 1 or more transgender prisoners.

• There were 139 prisoners currently living in, or presenting in, a gender different to their sex assigned at birth and who had sat a Local Transgender Case Board.

• Of these, 111 reported their legal gender5 as male, 23 reported their legal gender as female and 5 did not state their gender. When asked about the gender the prisoner identified as, 114 identified as female, 19 as male and 6 did not provide a response.

• There were 97 transgender prisoners in men’s prisons. When asked about the gender they identified as, 92 identified as female, 2 as male and 3 did not provide a response.

• Based on this exercise, there were 1.6 transgender prisoners reported per 1,000 prisoners in custody.

Let's stop handing out GRCs to everybody and stop this dangerous nonsense now. They could be housed with other do called vulnerable prisoners in male prisons however they identify.

So when they start handing out GRCs like lollipops to anyone who asks they all get to go in the women's prison estate.

Yes and the changes to the GRA will happen.

Haven't read the full document yet but the twitter thread suggests the MOJ has simply committed to paper a decision to be more careful about which men they send to women's prisons and the cynic in me knows this is only because the Karen White case made them look bad.

As a PP pointed out if/when self ID becomes a reality then the lip service paid to women's safety becomes meaningless.

It's sickening that the framework is intended to reduce the likelihood of another Karen White when the solution to eliminate the risk is very simple; no AMAB's in the female prison estate.

Vulnerable male prisoners should be housed in protected areas of the male estate.

Based on this exercise, there were 1.6 transgender prisoners reported per 1,000 prisoners in custody.

Didn't the Telegraph recently have an article saying 1 in 50 male prisoners are transwomen? Did I hallucinate that? (no I did not, the most recent figures are that there are 1500 transwomen in British jails.)

Is that the difference between last year's figures and this year's figures? If so, holy shit.

Or are they counting differently somehow?

I very much hope a journalist is really looking into all this carefully as this will be some shit hitting fans in the future.

Self ID will be the new Get Out Of Mens Jail Free card.

This is definitely an improvement on the old prison rules which took absolutely no account of risk from the trans prisoner towards others (other inmates and staff).

I've only skimmed it and read Richard Garside's twitter thread:

First trans-identifying males with a GRC [i.e. male-born prisoners with a GRC stating they are women]. They "must be placed in the women's estate... unless there are exceptional circumstances".

This is the same as under the old rules. My understanding is that this is because of case law (Karen Jones). I'm not even a pretend lawyer and I don't know how you challenge case law - can it be superseded by new case law or does it have to be judicial review?

Here's the judgment:

www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2009/2220.html

Mr Spurr, who is the Chief Operating Officer of NOMS (the National Offender Management Service) said in a witness statement -

... in Dr Travers' view she suffers a severe psychopathology that is closely linked to her index offence

and ... There are serious detrimental effects of segregation on a prisoner over a long period of time and I note the Claimant's history of reacting badly to frustration. This increases the likelihood that she could become progressively harder to integrate into the general population, should she be moved to a segregation unit in the female estate.

Dr James Barrett's evidence included:

... there will probably always be a small number of prisoners who will choose to make an issue of the matter because they are the sort of women who enjoy conflict. If this patient is able to cope with protracted close proximity women of that sort I would judge her able to cope with the less prolonged, more avoidable, travails of the civilian world.

(all my bolds on these quotes)

Dr James BARRETT: gic.nhs.uk/about-us/the-team/dr-james-barrett/

So the women in prison were not considered in this judgment as people with their own rights. Instead, female inmates were considered merely as a useful resource for managing the behaviour and rehabilitation of a violent, male, sex-offending psychopath - and as a test for how Jones would cope 'living as' a woman after release.

The case is from 2009 so it pre-dates the EA 2010. I think it needs challenging if there is any way to do so.

Karen Jones was invited to speak in the HoL by Lord Patel of Bradford in January last year.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

Given that Tommy Robinson seems to care so much about women (sarcasm), maybe he would be willing to take one for the team and identify as a woman whilst he’s inside?

Let’s see the likes of LOJ unpack that...

Maya Forstater
@MForstater
Another shocking article by
@rights_info
who live on a planet where the sexes dont exist, and where women's human rights don't matter (link: rightsinfo.org/transgender-prisoners-regressive-policy/) rightsinfo.org/transgender-pr…. Its also just incompetent.

Its about the new framework for the care and management of transgender prisoners which
@RichardJGarside
covered this week

The new framework recognises the need to "protect both the welfare and rights of the transgender individual and the welfare and rights of others around them"...particularly the risk from males to women in women's prisons

@rights_info
calls it "Progress Undone", "regression" .....

"Trans Women Inmates Could Spend Weeks Stuck In Male Prisons" they complain (actually Richard notes most transwomen are in male prisons and are not seeking transfer to the women's estate, but other provisions to recognise their identity).

"Two weeks in a male estate – irrespective of your experience and regardless of how you have lived your life for some time – is a step back. It seems to be a regression" says Barrister Michelle Brewer

"Don’t get me wrong " she says, " risk assessments need to happen" (so where exactly does she think male prisoners of unknown risk should be held??)

Both Brewer and
@rights_info
appear to be on a planet where they just can't imagine that men pose a threat to women (or even acknowledge that we have separate SEX prisons in the first place).

ts a planet where Karen White doesn't exist. Nor does Tiffany Scott. Nor does Kayleigh Woods. Such cases get no mention

The article suggests there is such a thing as "opposite gender prisons". (Rights info have a problem with saying sex.... )

Brewer says “we are talking about a policy that is published by the government that states that the ‘strength and function’ of a prisoners genitals can be looked at as a threat to other prisoners".

“How do you assess the strength and function of some one’s genitalia? Where is the legality in that?” she asks..... it does sound a bit odd🤔

Except it doesn't say that.... READ THE POLICY. What it says is "consideration of physical strength and genitalia" . Which seem like perfectly reasonable things to consider if you are thinking about locking a male criminal up in a women's prison

What prompted the review says Brewer was the government capitulating to "anti-trans campaigners" who put forward “the idea that trans women impose an inherent risk to non-trans women”

"It attaches that risk to their trans identity.” I can not get over the stupidity of this. Men pose an inherent risk to women, whether they have a trans identity or not. If you cannot understand this you have no place writing about any of this.

“We need to look at this from a human rights perspective" says Brewer. .....Except both she and every body at
@rights_info
appears to have forgotten that women in prison have human rights.

I am going to tag in
@AdamWagner1
but I don't expect a response, apart from the usual 'put in a complaint', which will be fobbed off by the team. Adam your organisation has a problem on this issue. It is the board's responsibility.

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