National Disability Scheme (AU) should pay for clients to access prostituted women ?

[JanesKettle]

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/22/we-are-sexual-beings-why-disability-advocates-want-the-ndis-to-cover-sexual-services#comment-131240151

Unbelievable.

And the comments - this should be a 'fight to the death' for people with disabilities ? Seriously ? Do people have zero ethical qualms about the use of women's bodies for the sexual gratification of (mostly) men, disabled or not ?

Of course not. Women aren't people after all. They are mere objects and costumes for male use. Or at least that's how the people in your OP probably see them.

Sorry, I meant of course they have no ethical qualms.

I think some men and women believe that some prostitutes have really high sex drives and genuinely enjoy having sex with lots of strangers and they get a kick out of getting paid for it.

No one has a right to sex or a right to anyone else's body. I certainly don't think that tax payers money or charities should fund this. The chances for people to take advantage are boundless.

Nobody has a “right” to have sex. And certainly not to have taxpayers fund the abuse of women.
I’ve been widowed for 27 years - should I have demanded that taxpayers funded a male prostitute for me, along with my widow’s pension?
This all sounds like the same old male entitlement rant. They think women are a commodity, which should be provided for them to use.

Yes, this does all come down to perception that sex is necessary for fulfilment, even health, and that it's cruel to put people in a position where they may never get to have it.

I would be careful with the language on this though. Being able to purchase something doesn't usually mean you have a right to it and many people won't see or accept the link without a little more explanation.

I notice the article is about a woman. Better optics I suppose. No-one has the right to sex.

I used to be involved in disability activisim in my younger days and there was always talk of this , there used to be an agency (pre internet) who helped disabled men to access sex workers I had many a run in at forums and meetings about it there thinking was everybody has a right to sex and sex workers were doing it like care in the bloody comunity ,

Just to agree with PPs who comment on women as a commodity to which men are entitled.

iirc, at one of the WPUK meetings (and therefore there must be a video of the talk) Julie Bindel discussed a situation where prisoners who were being rehabilitated into their upcoming release were entitled to sex with women who were provided to them by the government.

In 2014, inmates of La Paquerette (a social therapy department for prisoners) were allowed to visit prostituted women in a local detention center near Geneva.

www.truthdig.com/articles/a-brutal-normality-switzerlands-sex-market/

iirc, I might not, I think that the "detention centre" involved people waiting to be deported rather than a criminal justice detention camp.

I think there's a virtue halo around sex for men for disabilities ever since the acclaimed film with Helen Hunt as a sex surrogate for a young man in an iron lung (The Sessions). As PPs and Bindel's story indicate, the reality for women (both as consumers and providers of the service) would probably be considerably less consensual and glamorised.

MRAs are not all able bodied. The sexual abuse of another is not a human right.

No one has a right to sex or a right to anyone else's body. I certainly don't think that tax payers money or charities should fund this.

It's that old patriarchal myth, innit ... the one where the men tell women that men need sex ... it's a basic human need for them.

No dear, it ain't .. 'cos nobody dies from not having any sex.

It is not a human need .. it is a human want.

What such men are really saying when they spout that old patriarchal myth is that they have no intention of controlling their impulses.

Get over it guys ... learn to control yourselves.

This is a massively complex issue

It is not merely about disabled men having, or not, the right to purchase sexual services

Around the world various "sacred sexual healers", "tantric engineers", "sexological body workers", "dakas", "dakinis" and whatever new age sex workers are calling themselves these days are offering "sexual healing" to men and women with disabilities.

The centrally important issue is as follows

Even if one accepts that people with disabilities are entitled to access commercial sexual services (I do not accept this) then is it right that the services are provided by a range of new age cultists some of whom are linked to paedophile networks and sex cults involved in blackmail, financial abuses and other crimes?

There is so much more to say about this, I am now running late

OP check out the UK organisations linked to Tuppy Owens for more information about how this is playing out in the UK, for example

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181116040729/tlc-trust.org.uk/?page_id=1182" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20181116040729/tlc-trust.org.uk/?page_id=1182

Urgh Tuppy Owens theres a name ive not heard in years!

I can relate to your "Urgh" MrsJayy

Please don't hold back anything you would like to share here

PMs welcome if you prefer and are comfortable with it :)

No personal experience I can just remember her emerging in the 80s going to confrences and her pamphlets given out about disability and sexxuality,like she was an expert
she had a documentary out maybe on ch4 about her service it was just really seedy exploitative (sp) and just urgh !

I am going to bet that there is zero in this about women with disabilities have access to sexually skilled male prostitutes.

I don't support the notion of schemes paying for prostitutes. But on a slight tangent I would get behind a nation wide campaign to include the sexual skills of men so that women are more sexually satisfied. How far do you think that would get?

It puts a care worker in an awkward position, to say the least. It reminds me of the case of the young man who ate himself to death and his carers said they had to respond to his wishes (ie order him multiple takeaways a day) as that was their job - they couldn't make judgements.

Donkeys years ago I worked for a man who commanded me to "get him a girl" for the night. I had no clue how to go about this, but wouldn't have done it anyway. I didn't last long in that job! I felt very self-righteous, but perhaps I was wrong for being judgemental

I don't support the notion of schemes paying for prostitutes. But on a slight tangent I would get behind a nation wide campaign to include the sexual skills of men so that women are more sexually satisfied. How far do you think that would get?

1st law of cults

if you can imagine such a thing criminals will have also imagined it and perverted it into something horrible and abusive

In this case it has already happened.

Lots of neo-tantric cults recruit vulnerable males by advertising training courses of how to last longer in the bedroom and cure erectile dysfunction

Brainwashed women are happy to recruit vulnerable men in this way

The men gat raped, enslaved, blackmailed and abused in the end
Just telling it how it is

No personal experience I can just remember her emerging in the 80s going to confrences and her pamphlets given out about disability and sexxuality,like she was an expert
she had a documentary out maybe on ch4 about her service it was just really seedy exploitative (sp) and just urgh !

just in case you fancy beefing creeped out all over again, the documentary is here

Of significant interest to me is that Tuppy only appears occasionally and then appears to be a motherly, caring presence.

Vulnerable people with disabilities are the ones who ended up getting flack, largely from other disabled people, after broadcast.

Lots of similarities with how trans identifying people are used as mascots and human assets by others with a sinister agenda

beefing should read being

blooming autocorrect!

I am going to bet that there is zero in this about women with disabilities have access to sexually skilled male prostitutes.

Tuppy and her associates are very busy promoting male and female sex workers to vulnerable disabled women.

You only have to examine her TLC website that I linked to earlier.

Tuppy received a lot of flack from friends of an extremely vulnerable disabled woman who was extremely ill when she uploaded a photo of the women holding a protest sign saying "Disabled and Horny" shortly before the woman died. It stayed up for ages and might still be up there.

Personally I think we do live in a repressive society with many outdated taboos around sex and pleasure. I am committed to support disabled people in having enjoyable and rewarding sex lives.

I just do not believe that connecting them with recruiters from dangerous sex cults and / or using them as mascots and human assets is a helpful way forward for anyone.

Apart from all the other reasons posters have given here against such a notion - this 'sex as a human right' concept is only a short step away from incels demanding they be 'helped' to find women to have sex with, in my opinion.

A quick online check finds that 'Dr' Tippy Owen has an honorary PhD from the Institute of the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality, that was an uncredited degrees for cash institution.

this 'sex as a human right' concept is only a short step away
There's no step involved, it's exactly the same thing. Either women have a right to bodily autonomy and the right to choose our own partners, or men have a right to sex, i.e. to remove women's bodily autonomy and right to choose. There is no room for compromise there. As others have said, it's one of those statements where the meanings of 'human' and 'men' have become confused. It seems as if every fight women have ever had is being used against us, and all meaning is being negated.

I have a friend who is a care worker in a regional area. She has been harassed and propositioned before, always by older men (needing care as they are elderly not disabled). This initiative would not only put her in an awkward situation as suggested by a pp but possibly encourage an increase in harassment.

She also has disabled clients, one in particular, who from what she has said would probably benefit from some sort or relationship not even necessarily a sexual one, perhaps companionship. This client has never been harassing toward her.

No one is entitled to sex. I do think though as a society that more could be done to help the social isolation of disabled people. To get them more integrated into society to forge relationships of their own whatever form that relationship takes as long as it’s consensual.

It seems to me that whoever is behind this initiative is coming from the perspective that a sexual relationship will solve all their problems. I suspect that solving loneliness and isolation would be a lot more effective.

Dana, your last paragraph is beautifully written; i agree with every word you said.