Gender Neutral Bogs with Urinals!

[Davros]

I hope it is ok to put a photo of a letter in our local paper here. It shows the writer's name but it has been printed publicly already. So how about sharing toilet space with urinals if you're a man or woman or other!!

I think gender neutral toilets are a fantastic idea. The UK is one of the prudest countries to date, creating a narrow mindset for the public to fear the natural human body. Going to the toilet should not be sexualised and this prude mentality does exactly that. You may see a penis because a man is using the urinal, and? It's a penis, get over it and stop staring. The sooner we stop fearing body parts the better and we can all use the restroom in peace.

But why would she have to, if there is a non-urinal toilet that is label as such?

Because the 'non-urinal' toilet will be full of men pissing in cubicles with the door open.

Welcome to Mumsnet mewk

Do clarify your thoughts about why you would force women to look at a man's penis? Is it all women? Girls? 12 year olds? 5 year olds? Funnily enough the law isn't very keen on this - West Midlands police call this 'indecent exposure' and I believe that the sanctions are more serious if you involve a child. Here:

west-midlands.police.uk/your-options/flashing-indecent-exposure-and-sex-acts-public

I think gender neutral toilets are a fantastic idea. The UK is one of the prudest countries to date, creating a narrow mindset for the public to fear the natural human body. Going to the toilet should not be sexualised and this prude mentality does exactly that. You may see a penis because a man is using the urinal, and? It's a penis, get over it and stop staring. The sooner we stop fearing body parts the better and we can all use the restroom in peace.

And lesbians should get over their hang ups with lady dick as well, right?

Not being funny but there is no way I want to see the penises of any man I am not in a relationship with, and even then, it's only when I choose to see one.

It's not prudish, it's being completely and utterly normal.

Pretending that you have to be cool and accept penis is bit fucking rapey.

Because the 'non-urinal' toilet will be full of men pissing in cubicles with the door open.

Well, it might be which is a valid criticism of the gender neutral idea.

But it is confusing things I think when you are talking about people being forced to walk past urinals.

I suspect that the people who made this decision somehow thought that people would read the one toilets as "men, transmen and NB" and the other as "women, transwomen, and NB". So they could essentially still have sex segregation most of the time while also sounding with it and woke
And it never occurred to them that plain old regular men would actually see "gender neutral no urinals"and choose to go in there. Which is stupid as it seems like even men who did not want to go into that toilet were surprised and unhappy when they found they were essentially in a ladies toilet. Somehow "urinals" and "no urinals" are not adequate codes for men and women.

As I said, stop sexualising people going for a pee. Pretty sure you all have gender neutral toilets at home.

Sexualising a man doing something as innocent as peeing is "a bit fucking rapey" if anything.

Its a human body, we all have them. Nothing to be afraid of!

The UK is one of the prudest countries to date, creating a narrow mindset for the public to fear the natural human body.

What a load of "queer theory, hey let's break down barriers to nudity" crap. Fuck that. We know your game.

Only one type of man wants to expose his penis to women and children - and they should never be allowed near women and children.

If we are prudes in the UK, thank everything i live in the UK.

And there are many reasons to fear men, hence the establishment of women’s loos and hospital wards in the first place.

Sorry mewk, but your posts sound straight out of the paedophile manifesto - are you aware of that?

Whole thread here twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/991258047468244995

A relevant quote:
It speaks of a cascade effect - to de-stigmatise genitals then nudity then public sexual activity until paedophilia can be cast as the last taboo to loosen.

I believe your posts are attempting the first two. I'm not falling for it. You want to enjoy nudity, go to a nudist beach.

LOLLassyou are quoting my own post at me. I don't see a single post, mine included, that implies we fear seeing urinals

Are you 14 ? I find it difficult to imagine anyone over 14 using "Lol".

You are the one who started wittering on about a "fear of urinals". I never mentioned it. I said absolutely nothing about your "being afraid of seeing urinals"

You have created a classic straw man argument there- pretending that I said you had a "fear of urinals" - "were afraid of seeing urinals" I said nothing of the kind- but I don't suppose that will stop you making it up.

If toilets are gender neutral I'll use the one with the shortest queue. I don't think your average man is going to be happy with a queue of women lining up alongside the urinals.
I will also complain to management if toilets are covered in wee, especially if there is no toilet paper.

Also what's wrong with being a prude?

This reminds me of when a man calls a woman frigid for not sleeping with her.

This reminds me of when a man calls a woman frigid for not sleeping with her.

It's exactly like that.

Have they put sanitary bins into the cubicles in the cubicle and urinal gender neutral loos?

Pretty sure you all have gender neutral toilets at home

Your own bathroom is not the same as public toilets though is it and I don’t know about your house but chez Lordamighty we go to the loo one at a time.

Somehow "urinals" and "no urinals" are not adequate codes for men and women.

Odd, isn't it. Perhaps we don't need any codes, perhaps we should just stick with 'men' and 'women'.

I am a prude. I do not want to see anyone’s penis unless I am in a relationship with them. I do not want any man to see or hear me use the toilet, and vice versa. I do not give the tiniest of flying fucks if some wet-behind-the-ears kid thinks that’s pathetic, or if it hurts a man’s feelings for any reason.

And it never occurred to them that plain old regular men would actually see "gender neutral no urinals"and choose to go in there

They should not have assumed men like urinals. It is not a subject I discuss regularly but I have heard men say they don't like using a urinal beside someone they know- especially a boss or a parent and prefer cubicles.

As I said, stop sexualising people going for a pee. Pretty sure you all have gender neutral toilets at home.

1. Unfortunately, men have tended to sexualise toilets, by (and there's evidence of this circulating on twitter today - see thread on this forum) going in for all sorts of unsavoury activities in there which are not the core purpose weeing and pooing ones. Not women's and girls' fault - and we should not be forced to inadvertently witness these when we want to go to our toilets, thanks.

1. Do you think we haven't heard this 'your toilet at home is gender-neutral' false analogy many times before? We don't allow strangers into our toilets at home and certainly don't have a room of cubicles, possibly also urinals, in which strange men can wander and undertake their unsavoury activities (see point 1).

I'm totally fine with being called "prudish" - fending off the queer agenda, which aims to allow unfettered access to children by adults, demands "prudishness". I'd call it 'safeguarding'.

I am a prude. I do not want to see anyone’s penis unless I am in a relationship with them

When I first joined MN about 4 years ago I posted on a thread about what is the upper age limit for it being ok for parents taking opposite sex children to the loo for the parents' sex.

I said that it was more difficult for fathers of small girls as they would not want to take little girls into gents loos with urinals. It's easier for mothers and small boys.

I was roasted for being stupid , narrow- minded, prudish, it's just a body- what was the problem?

Men do sometimes object to their urinals being removed to make gender neutral toilets. And when the men are unhappy, they take more direct action, it seems....

cherwell.org/2018/05/06/dirt-protest-against-somervilles-newly-gender-neutral-toilets/

Hmmmm there is a toilet exactly like this at a family attraction we go to in France. You walk in and the urinals are in a square formation to the right. You have to walk past them to go to the cubicles. Which are labeled separately for male and female. However its not called gender neutral its just a toilet. Also all the men basically have there backs to you whilst peeing so you would have to be trying hard to see a penis
I have certainly never seen one. I will admit i was a bit taken aback to start with but only because its not the norm in the uk but i have no problem with it.

I object because women and girls are more at risk of sexual assault in mixed sex facilities www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

One should take into consideration feelings of men too. I recently went to the V & A members cafe where there are gender neutral toilets and one elderly gentleman told me he was very unhappy and uncomfortable with it while we were both washing our hands!

So maybe we should think about men's boundaries too who don't want to share facilities with women. Most "normal" men I know are not gagging to get into women's changing rooms or toilets. I'd say they'd regard it as weird as we do.