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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Flower and hearts make a woman

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AlessandraAsteriti · 21/07/2019 07:51

In a 'it never happens' meet 'stereotype central' kind of way, trans inmate complains that prison authorities did not allow them "to express her gender by decorating a sign on her door with flowers and hearts.”, British Columbia, of course.
www.peacearchnews.com/news/transgendered-inmate-makes-human-rights-complaint-against-surrey-pretrial/

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BitOfFun · 21/07/2019 08:02

This seems appropriate, again.

Flower and hearts make a woman
crosspelican · 21/07/2019 08:08

Presumably they assume that women's prisons in Canada look like a florist shop on Valentine's Day?

Juells · 21/07/2019 08:14

providing her with requested items from the female facility’s canteen,

You what now?

I wonder if this person is a friend of the person on another article on the same site...
Hayden Patterson, who says she has identified as Jewish since age 15, claims the denial of her request for a kosher diet is a violation of Section 8 of the Human Rights Code.

Canada has opened Pandora's box when it comes to 'identifying as'.

notatwork · 21/07/2019 08:15

But she didn't identify as female until after arrival at the facility. How on earth were they supposed to guess, especially given that she'd been in and out of (male) prison for years and was only released last year?
The flowery door thing is a red herring I think. She did ask to share with another trans prisoner, so wasn't the only one at the facility. It's all a bit odd.

EweSurname · 21/07/2019 08:53

alessandra totally off topic but do you have a copy of your tweet thread detailing the stats of the ways women are discriminated against because of their sex and not gender? I found it so useful but stupidly didn't take note before you were banished.

Juells · 21/07/2019 09:07

The flowery door thing is a red herring I think.

I don't think so. People know about giving off the right signals. I saw a documentary years and years ago about psychopaths - a pschologist did interviews with various people who were diagnosed psychopaths. One particularly stuck in my head, IIRC it was the man responsible for the murders that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre film was based on. He gave off a lovely friendly vibe. He'd taken up art while in prison, and was showing the psychiatrist lovely flowers he was painting, and coming out with all sorts of lovely squishy warm and huggy sentiments about how he understood now that he'd been wrong. The psychiatrist went through it all, explaining that he ('psycho killer') knew how to send all the right signals, but it was about manipulation. Obviously this isn't the same thing since there's no suggestion that the prisoner involved is a psychopath, but hearts and flowers and gooey decorations are meaningless.

AlessandraAsteriti · 21/07/2019 09:08

@ewesurname. I think Maya Forstater retweeted that, but also I eventually wrote a short article with those statistics included. Here it is Smile
uncommongroundmedia.com/on-the-importance-of-definitions%EF%BB%BF-alessandra-asteriti/

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EweSurname · 21/07/2019 09:29

Thank you! I linked to the thread many times but it’s all been deleted with your account’s purge. Glad you’re on here at least Star

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