A pattern I noticed

[AnotherAdultHumanFemale]

I've noticed a pattern where different groups of women (and some men) are reaching 'peak trans' roughly collectively at the same time. It's just an observation and by no means an exact science (there are lots of outliers) but it's something I noticed on Reddit, twitter and on here.

• The first group of women who seemed to see the reality of the ideology were the radical feminists back in the 70s;

• Next it was the lesbians when they started being gaslighted and shamed into sleeping with males and their lesbian bars etc gradually got colonised by men 'identifying' as women;

• Then it seemed to be women who had experienced some sort of abuse, or women who worked with abuse survivors because they recognised that a lot of the TRA tactics were the same tactics used by domestic abusers such as gaslighting and DARVO;

• Next it was mothers, who were dealing with the results of the ideology being taught in schools

In effect, each group reaches peak trans when the truth about the ideology crashes onto their radar.

I think this might be why certain women are attacking us and not 'seeing' it - it hasn't yet affected them so they are still under the illusion they are being kind and inclusive to a few poor souls.

The world of sports woke up after this, because of men playing against women and taking medals etc. I wonder which group will be next to wake up.

Very insightful post. Can't fault it really.

I agree with this. I think the next group may be gay men. Perhaps. A good friend who is retired and gay and thought I was being transphobic because basically he had the "old school transsexuals" in mind and couldn't picture who I was talking about, or thought I'd been in some right-wing religious part of the Internet. Then I posted some things about Yaniv in FB which peak transed him instantly. I've posted about Yaniv before but I think it's more "official" now Yaniv is at the tribunal.

Also people aged about 40+ don't seem to realise that the online world IS real life. They dismiss it. So Yaniv coming offline suddenly makes Yaniv real.

And this friend then wanted to know more about the situation with kids and blockers, AGP, SRS in Jazz's situation, detransitioners - everything.

*older gay men who have interacted with "transsexuals" seen the awful time they've had and thinks that's who everybody is talking about.

It's not all mothers though. Unfortunately there are still plenty of mothers (of the same general category as the ones who won't re-use their elder son's clothes, toys, pram or car seat for a younger daughter, or vice versa) who are fully signed up to the philosophy that real boys conform to male stereotypes regardless of genital configuration, and real girls conform to female stereotypes regardless of genital configuration

Wonder if some of the mothers will begin to change their minds when the irreversible medicalisation starts Fossi. A friend shocked me recently when she said she knew two trans children and that all the other children in their groups seemed to be accepting of it, and therefore maybe it was our generation who was wrong. Can’t help feeling that when one of those children gets her healthy breasts cut off and several of her friends decide they’re trans too, then maybe she’ll see it’s not just an innocent part of childhood after all.

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It's not all mothers though. Unfortunately there are still plenty of mothers (of the same general category as the ones who won't re-use their elder son's clothes, toys, pram or car seat for a younger daughter, or vice versa) who are fully signed up to the philosophy that real boys conform to male stereotypes regardless of genital configuration, and real girls conform to female stereotypes regardless of genital configuration

Fgs, how ridiculous

Yes, spot on.

I reached it when I became a mother and started dealing with stereotypes. I hit it pre school as I'm a teacher and had started to see it within schools.

Mumsnet is a fast track service though.

I'm not entirely convinced all the young people are taken in by this, most of the teenagers in my family (and all of their friends apparently) think that it is ridiculous and take the piss 'did you just misgender me? TRIGGERED'. Same as most people in real life, except the perpetually woke crew.

I can't help thinking (without sounding like a tin foil hat wearing weirdo) that it is media spin by all of the techy lot who seem to be vast in their identity as a woman has made it seem like everyone believes and somehow this has taken hold.

Yes I think the wider medical profession are another group just waking up to this. Ever since I found out what was happening to teenagers and children (about a year ago) I have been so shocked that this has been allowed to happen, in an apparently unregulated corner of the NHS. And a rather secret one. Why weren't the medical profession speaking out I wondered.

Most doctors I know work hard, study a lot and once they are senior enough to specialise concentrate on their particular area of medicine. They're not spending their free time on twitter and social media unlike you know who. So most of them haven't been exposed to this. The topic came up at work one day with a discussion of someone (not known to me) who used to work in the department and had gone off and transitioned. I pricked my ears and hoped to throw in more food for thought with a nugget about puberty blockers but the consultant (quite young, teen children) said "Oh I'm too old for all that" and closed down the talk.

GPs are on the front line as parents bring their children in and thanks to Margaret MnCartney and Richard Byng articles and letters are appearing in the medical magazines and now the RCGP has brought out what looks like a sensible advisory paper. The lack of peer reviewed research and evidence based practice is ringing alarm bells.

I think most people need two things to care - skin in the game and having current knowledge and understanding as opposed to historical.

Most people go about not thinking about systemic issues and live their own lives.

I’m not the same person as I was before 25 years of working life. Or the same one as I was before children, or having elderly parents, or having children with additional needs.

So perhaps we need to really focus on what different groups need to see how it affects them and people they care about as opposed to generic kindness and “thoughts and prayers” for strangers who are having a public hard time.

In the case of the school-age young, it will be strongly influenced by cohort solidarity. If the year above are strongly pro-trans, year below will go out of their way to differenetiate themselves, notably by taking the mick.

I don't even know why my post was deleted. Ugh!
All I said was of course mums are sensitive to their sex-based rights being eroded as they know too well that a transgender woman would not be overlooked for a promotion or a new job compared to a woman who had recently got engaged.

Mrs I think it was because of your choice of phrase - you have to be careful on here as we are tightly moderated.

Thanks everyone for your thoughtful replies, good points about the medical professionals waking up next, and maybe the gay (men) community. I've seen quite a few gender critical gay men call out the ideology on twitter. Also good point MrsJamin about mothers being aware of their sex based rights being eroded, more than say younger women. I do think age and life experience seems to have a factor in understanding the reality of the ideology, but having said that not all young people have been fooled by it, which is comforting to know.

It worries me that I have seen a few mums say on here that when their kids were tweens/teens they took the p about misgendering and the idea of identifying as... But at uni they bought in the the whole thing. University is a strange environment - in all aspects of your life you are surrounded only by people of your own age. No mum and her friends, grandad, friends parents, little brothers and sisters etc. Only the ideas, experiences and priorities of people aged 18-21 reflected back at you.

Yes I think it's quite usual for younger teens to accept their parents ideas to a large extent and then reject them when they are suddenly exposed to a lot of new ideas and people. On the bright side I think it's also common for them to rethink those ideas later and moderate their views.

Absolutely Goosefoot, I recall being a militant leftie at uni and although I'm still most definitely on the left I am less aggressive about it though.

Have you watched the Evergreen documentary though (it's in 3 parts) ? It's so easy to be radicalised at university it's quite a scary and difficult watch.

Yes, I did watch the Evergreen doc. It was scary, not least because it reminded me a lot of things going on now at my own university. It reminded me a lot of a cult. I thought, how could the staff enable all of that, encourage it, but at the same time the landscape at universities now has become so bizarre.

I think this might be why certain women are attacking us and not 'seeing' it - it hasn't yet affected them so they are still under the illusion they are being kind and inclusive to a few poor souls.

This is one of the reasons that TRA's have been so insistent on shutting down debate and labelling EVERYTHING - including questions -as 'transphobic' is because as soon as people are faced with absurdities like 'I'm a woman - these are woman's balls so wax them'/ rapists in women's prisons/ 'lesbians have erections too' .. they see it for the bollocks it (literally) is.

Public discussion is the real barrier to removing sex based rights - which is why it is the first target of TRA's ( and the increasingly ill concealed creepy fringe looking to reduce safuguarding round children that have attached themselves to Trans rights in the same way PIE did to gay rights in the 70's).

Unfortunately I think education will be last.

Yes, education has been captured, people don't really believe any more that parents should be allowed to be in charge of their children's education - the state's rights to push a particular POV takes precedence. A state of affairs that came through good intentions but you can see it in the responses to the No Outsiders stuff - even those on the left who disagree with it are hesitant because the don't agree with some of the ideas of the religious parents. They want the state to promote one set of ideas against certain parents, but not the ones they themselves have difficulties with.

MrsJamin I remember your post and couldn't fault it. I think the Weekend mods are known for being a bit uh... Less relaxed about feminist chat posts.

When you have things like this going on in teacher education, all is lost.

www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/news/0318-national-lgbtq-award-launched-by-leeds-beckett-university/