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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Isn't Andrew Gilligan a brilliant journalist?

31 replies

Twistables · 21/07/2019 01:17

The doctors at the Tavistock are finally speaking out. Children ‘misled’ at gender clinic
thetimes.co.uk

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wafflyversatile · 21/07/2019 01:23

I only know of one story he did which was an extremely cunty hatchet job so I'm going with no he's not.

WeirdWoman · 21/07/2019 01:29

Which story was that @wafflyversatile ? Confused

wafflyversatile · 21/07/2019 01:32

It would be too outing to say. Nothing to do with trans issues though.

boatyardblues · 21/07/2019 06:34

I only know of one story he did which was an extremely cunty hatchet job so I'm going with no he's not.

It would be too outing to say. Nothing to do with trans issues though.

How convenient! Your own hatchet job post and an excuse for not standing up such a damning assessment.

pepperpot99 · 21/07/2019 06:45

He's the journo who printed a twisted version of Dr David Kelly's critique of the Blair Govt's '45 minute Iraq attack' allegation - outing him when he was supposed to be anonymous - which eventually culminated in that man's suicide. So I'm going with 'no he's not' too.

bunslinger · 21/07/2019 07:08

pepperpot99 - you've badly misremembered what happened. Gilligan made two mistakes in a live radio interview (not a printed article), firstly strengthening Kelly's statement that the 45-minute claim in the report was 'unreliable' to a statement that the Government 'probably knew it was wrong'. And secondly, describing his (anonymous) source as an 'intelligence service source' when he should have said 'one of the senior officials in charge of drawing up the dossier'.

Obviously neither of those mistakes did anything to out Kelly. And neither of them detract from the main point of a very important story and a brave piece of journalism - that the 'dodgy dossier' had indeed been 'sexed up', which has now been admitted by everyone involved, including both Blair and Campbell.

David Kelly's identity became public because Kelly told his employer that he'd spoken to Gilligan, and they cynically decided to reveal his identity to the press to attempt to discredit the original story (by inserting clues in a press release and then responding to any wrong guesses that were put to them). This in turn led directly to Kelly's disgraceful public shaming by the Foreign Affairs Committee.

Obviously Gilligan wasn't entirely perfect, misspeaking in a live radio interview, but did break a story of major national interest, which has now been vindicated, and did nothing to compromise the identity of his source.

AnyOldPrion · 21/07/2019 07:39

Can’t see the article, but I am indeed grateful to Mr Gilligan. Don’t have any opinion on other things he’s reported on, but I imagine in a lifetime of reporting, you’re going to cock things up from time to time.

HandsOffMyRights · 21/07/2019 07:44

He blew the lid off the Trojan Horse scandal.

And he'll blow the lid off this child experimentation scandal thanks to superb investigative journalism.

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MiddleOfTheRoad · 21/07/2019 08:35

Thanks for the transcription/share.

Powerful. It chills me to the bone to think of thise vulnerable children who are being convinced by adults that this is right.

Yet there will still be some who scream transphobia when we talk about why child experimentation is wrong.

I'm going to buy a copy today because this spells out why we are so alarmed and why we cannot allow such abuse to stand.

Thank you Andrew.

lucasthecat · 21/07/2019 08:41

@bunslinger - thanks for such a clear and to the point summary of Andrew Gilligan’s role and very minor mistakes in the dodgy dossier/Iraq story. Interesting how a number if people have tried to smear him by either misrepresenting/lying about facts or hinting at terrible things he’s done - but they can’t share them here - For the record Andrew Gillian is a great journalist with a long history of standing up to the powerful

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 21/07/2019 08:42

It is somewhat depressing to me that we find ourselves in a situation where a journalist is lauded as brilliant simply for doing his job.

I'm glad Andrew Gilligan is doing his job, but what the fuck is the point of the rest of them?

(other honourable exception, Janice Turner, James Kirkup etc apply)

Juells · 21/07/2019 08:54

"He's a big old meanie. I know things about him. Terrible things. I can't tell you though, or it would be outing."

Hmm

He got absolute shit at the time of the Iraq war, and it turned out he was right. Lots of journalists 'know things' but don't have the courage to publish. He has consistently put himself on the line to expose dodgy dealings.

FormerMediocreMale · 21/07/2019 09:06

Oh no a big bad meant that writes the truth!

Andrew, Janice Turner and James Kirkup are doing an amazing job at getting this horror story out to the public. It is their job to do that but many are failing miserably and writing flouncy opinion pieces that mean nothing but make a few people - esp the writer- feel all nice and fuzzy.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/07/2019 09:22

An excellent report.

What need to be noted in these articles and by the Clinicans is what yp who are de transitioning are saying regarding their journey.

  • they are coached by online trans communities; what to say in response to certain questions.
  • other mh support services do not help to explore wider causes or issues with gender identity, either dismissing out of hand so alienating the young person or affirming, or washing their hands and passing on to GIDS stating that this is the main cause of all their mh issues.
  • research has been denied or shunned eg James Caspar, Michelle Moore.

The whole thing is a cyclical shit show.

Erythronium · 21/07/2019 09:24

He's a right wing hack whose editor (who is the one we should thank), is allowing him to expose the horror story that is trans.

Agree that journalists shouldn't be praised for doing their jobs. A man especially isn't going to be in much danger for this. I haven't seen attacks on him, like the kind that Janice Turner has faced. She is brave.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/07/2019 09:26

Powerful. It chills me to the bone to think of thise vulnerable children who are being convinced by adults that this is right.

This is a safeguarding catastrophe.

I'm glad Andrew Gilligan is doing his job, but what the fuck is the point of the rest of them?

It does remind me of how no journalists would touch the Bradford grooming gangs stories with a barge pole.

Bitofeverything · 21/07/2019 09:30

Just FYI, if you cut and paste entire articles, then people don’t click on them, and editors conclude no one is interested. V good way of ensuring no future articles on this topic.

BreakWindandFire · 21/07/2019 09:46

He's very good on the Tavi issues, but he's previously not been great at protecting his sources, which is unforgivable for a journalist. He also cheerleaded for Boris as Mayor of London, then walked into a part-time well-paid 'job' for Boris.

A curate's egg, IMO.

ZebrasAreBras · 21/07/2019 10:01

That is a damning and well written article.

Gilligan and others (but too few others) have written a string of articles on this subject of children being experimented on in the name of gender identity theory - and I do wonder what it will take for people to sit up and take notice.

I thought the lid would be blown off after the first expose, when it was on the front page of the Times - but it seems not. This is scandalous medical treatment of children with variant mental health issues - including autism, anxiety, depression - not to mention, homosexual children dealing with homophobic bullying - who are being sold 'transition' as an answer to their problems.

AlwaysComingHome · 21/07/2019 10:14

Comments are open but I don’t see any yet.

Freespeecher · 21/07/2019 21:54

He also put a lot of work over a long period of time into documenting the dodgy dealings of Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman. Private Eye were consistently good but Gilligan did excellent work here.

andrewgilliganblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/lutfur-rahman-what-you-should-know/

sakura184 · 21/07/2019 22:04

He's the journo who printed a twisted version of Dr David Kelly's critique of the Blair Govt's '45 minute Iraq attack' allegation - outing him when he was supposed to be anonymous - which eventually culminated in that man's suicide. So I'm going with 'no he's not' too.

Oh my god is that him?! It always upset me what happened with Dr David Kelly. Someone trying to do the right thing, by whistleblowing, ended up dead. I didn't know it was suicide , I thought the government had him killed

truthisarevolutionaryact · 21/07/2019 22:38

It was a very good article and the comments underneath are excellent and informative.Andrew Gilligan (along with Janice T ) and the Times are doing a very great job in exposing this state sanctioned abuse.

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