Article describing serious sex offenders as marginalized

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Apologies if this has already been posted, I haven't seen it.

theappeal.org/transgender-women-minnesotas-sex-offender-program/?fbclid=IwAR3y3ziu6FXPlTvbpp0djpKMSgccRsYhjeQ1QLF8l1oli3s_B6OO5W9w5Xo

(FWIW, the link won't open on my Wi-Fi as I have parental controls but does on my phone which doesn't. Not sure why.)

It appears that Minnesota has a programme whereby serious sex offenders are incarcerated indefinitely in a facility for 'sexually dangerous persons' until they have completed the programme.

In this case, it seems that certain of the offenders are being refused 'affirming medical treatment' of hormones and female clothes.

The comments in the article are mostly those of the offenders or their advocate but it seems the reasoning for the refusal is that the staff at the facility believe there is a sexual component to their requests (e.g. one person was told they are not allowed female clothes for masturbating with.)

Their legal advocate claims that they are "marginalized within the marginalized community" and the article is focused on how these serious sex offenders aren't getting the treatment they believe they need, instead of the treatment that the psychiatrists and staff at the facility believe they should have.

The person (Lovejoy) who is the main subject of the article was committed to the programme due to a history of multiple sexual assaults of very young children, battery of an infant, and other serious sexual offences including multiple rapes.
law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/court-of-appeals/2017/a16-1442.html

From what I can tell (not very good at legaleze), they attempted to legally compel the staff (including women) to participate in behaviour that the staff believe is sexualised, and attempted to claim damages accordingly.
www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-mnd-0_16-cv-02468/pdf/USCOURTS-mnd-0_16-cv-02468-0.pdf

I can't find a record of the offenses for the other person mentioned (Hayzlett), but they're refusing to participate in the programme according to the article.

I guess it is not surprise that people who are sociopathic offenders would behave that way. It seems jarring when you hear that language from the lawyer who presumably isn't in that category, but it is their job to support what the client sees as his interest. And it's important that someone does that.

I am quite pleased that the prison and psychiatric authorities don't seem to be falling for the whole thing and see it for what it is. I have a cousin who works in prisons with sexual offenders, she is a psychiatrist and that is the area she concentrated on in her doctoral studies. My sense from her is that people working in that area do see the patients/prisoners as marginalised and as often coming from very difficult backgrounds, but also are very realistic about what is going on with them and the potential for them to improve.

The article wants us to sympathise with serious sex offenders.
Sorry, but I have no sympathy at all for them. It's all reserved for their victims.

The article wants us to sympathise with serious sex offenders.
Sorry, but I have no sympathy at all for them. It's all reserved for their victims.

Me too. Agree that it's very much targeted at trying to gain sympathy for people who have done some terrible things and don't appear to show any remorse.
I found the lack of empathy for the victims or any kind of acknowledgement of why the offenders were in the facility quite jaw dropping.

I think in terms of the marginalisation, I think it was very much framed that they are marginalised because they're sex offenders and people don't have much sympathy, rather than coming from an otherwise marginalised background, if that makes sense.

I think it was very much framed that they are marginalised because they're sex offenders and people don't have much sympathy,

I would agree with that. It is also true though, that sex offender status creates marginalisation, and that has consequences, even if it's inevitable. One example is that it can be very difficult to get hired, even in a job where there isn't a risk o anyone. They are often cut off from families. These things can increase the risk of reoffending and make the offender dependent on state support as well.

In the US they really seem to have this approach of, more is better. Longer sentences, more restrictions, more prisoners, for everything. In some cities some released sex offenders have had so many restrictions that they couldn't live anywhere, couldn't shop in a supermarket. The police would literally have one spot they could be dropped off that didn't put them in an area they were excluded from. It's hard to see how that's a useful approach.

And a lot of people just don't care if the justice system doesn't do what it's required to do for such people, or if they are abused in prison.

Sex offenders absolutely should not receive gender affirming care at all much less on MY tax dollars. These MEN have sexually assaulted women and children (mostly girls of course) so why in the fuck should they receive anything affirming? IDGAF what their childhoods were like - I have was sexually abused as a child and raped as a teen and I have NEVER touched anyone inappropriately or touched anyone without consent.

The fact that people are giving any weight to these pieces of shit's requests to call themselves women is mind blowing and soul crushing for me as a survivor. I didn't get molested because I identified as a 5yr old girl I was molested because I was a 5yr old FEMALE, I wasn't raped because I identified as an 18yr old girl I was raped by an ex-boyfriend so he could show me that my consent was not necessary and that HE could take whatever he wanted because he was bigger/stronger as well as MALE and penis wielding and I am FEMALE so I was to genuflect to the magnificence of his power. He told me he would break me and that no one would ever desire me again - it was MALE entitlement that drove him. He didn't break me but it took more than a decade to get myself sorted. I didn't deserve that nor the attempt to scare me into keeping the pregnancy that he forced on my body - aborting that fetus was a victory for my person but the emotional and intellectual damage he caused lasted well beyond my physical recovery.

These MEN do not deserve therapy or compassion or care - those things are for survivors of their offenses. These MEN should be locked up with the key thrown away. We need to safeguard the rest of society (women and children specifically) - once you violate someone sexually you give up your right to live in society indefinitely IMO.

Rome is falling.

In some cities some released sex offenders have had so many restrictions that they couldn't live anywhere, couldn't shop in a supermarket.

They can cry me a fucking ocean - that is in place to SAFEGUARD innocent people. If isolating these degenerates saves one innocent person from their proclivities it is for the best. At least they are kept away from children, as an adult I have a better chance of defending myself.

The sex offender registry is great in my area - I know where all of them are due to location mapping required by my county. When one moves too close to a school, church, or my block (lots of children playing on the street) I alert the police to ensure they are relocated. There is a halfway house three blocks away, my washer died unexpectedly so I went to a nice laundry mat to wash clothes until the repair-person was able to come to my house. A known sex offender (rapist) began hanging about outside after my arrival. I left my clothes in a wash cycle and went into the adjacent store to seek refuge. That MF'r stole my sports bras and one of DH's t-shirts out of the machine like it was a dept. store during the wash cycle - he had the balls to wear my DH's wet and soapy Grateful Dead t-shirt in front of me and had my sports bras hanging off of his arms like trophies. The police came, I filed a report, they asked him to return my items (he did) and then he looked me in the eye and said "I will see you around soon, don't you live at 123 fuckme street?" (Address modified for the story but he knew my address and I had never seen him in person/interacted prior). That was not considered a threat by the police but I know what he was saying so I don't go near that store anymore and have recently decided to get a pistol and sign up for a concealed carry permit. I am not a vigilante or scare-monger but I will not be raped again if I can help it. Why should I (or any vulnerable/innocent) have to coexist with freaks like the aforementioned?

Two wrongs don't make a right and the ends don't justify the means, but it is our duty to protect the vulnerable in society. So until a method that protects innocents and humanely punishes offenders is enacted, the offenders will have to take what they get. Or ya know not rape people in the first place.

And hey Goosefoot (and all)... Happy Saturday! My above intensity is only directed at offenders - not at any of you ladies my apologies if it seemed otherwise.

They’re sex offenders. Maybe I’m over simplifying things... but isn’t it in the natural order of things that these vile scum are marginalised?
Haven’t they sort of marginalised themselves??

www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-mnd-0_16-cv-02468/pdf/USCOURTS-mnd-0_16-cv-02468-0.pdf

I've got a question if anyone is able to answer. In the document linked it says:

In Count I, Plaintiff alleges that Defendants unlawfully discriminated against her “on the
basis of her sexual orientation and the fact that she prefers to be identified as a female and not
the (male) gender marker that was assigned her”

What would they mean as his sexual orientation here? Or do they just mean gender id and are lumping them as one thing?

They’re sex offenders. Maybe I’m over simplifying things... but isn’t it in the natural order of things that these vile scum are marginalised?

I don't think you're over simplifying at all.

I feel sick. And I am not a victim of a sex offender. But I know very close family members who are / were.
I am sick to fuck of men being excused of such shit. It's got to the point where I don't feel I can trust any males in mine or daughters life.