Ooh. Emily Maitlis just got peak transed by Yaniv.

[ProfessionalBullshitter]

Very glad this is on her radar. But will she do an Alice Roberts and betray us?

twitter.com/maitlis/status/1152107842968707072?s=21

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say yes, she will.

Get in there and show her some other stories and issues while she's (even briefly) paying attention. Can't do any harm. She may try to forget she ever saw it but the seed has been planted. From acorns and all that.

JY will peak a lot of people hopefully. How could you not be?!

Lots of people commenting on her tweet and signposting her to the right resources. It’s encouraging to see.

If she’s worth her salt as a journalist she’ll delve into this in more detail.

Alice Roberts had already established herself as capable of doublethink, campaigning to end state funding of faith schools whilst sending her children to one. Her calling us all big meanies for pointing out that she wrote books and papers on anatomy and therefore knew the difference between male and female was just more of the same.

Emily Maitlis has no such track record that I'm aware of. She's a journalist whose work has only touched briefly on transgender issues, and I'm sure UK politics of the past few years has kept her pretty busy. Keeping on top of that won't have left much time for searching out the details MSM are determined not to touch.

I have hope that this shitstorm will trigger her journalistic instincts.

I'm sure UK politics of the past few years has kept her pretty busy.

Yes, as touched on on a different thread, UK politics has been so engrossed in brexit for the past three years that no one has paid any attention to other shit going on. It's very annoying, I'm so fed up that really important issues including matters relating to the GRC and the coming Law Commission review of laws relating to surrogacy are being ignored.

I'm not sure I even have much hope that the whole JY thing will do much good. Of course sunlight and raising wider awareness is to be welcomed. But give it a week or two and it'll be old news. She'll still be busy covering brexit and the new prime minister etc.

I'd lay a large bet we won't be seeing a news night feature on JY any time soon.

JY will peak a lot of people hopefully. How could you not be?!

Some will, but only if they see the link with the legislation element. Others will dismiss him as a crazy person and say it shouldn't be held against other trans people.

It boggles that they don't see the link to self ID, but people don't seem to connect dots any more.

It would almost be better if he were slightly less crazy, so people like that would see him as deliberately lying and malevolent.

Yaniv is such an exceptional individual I think a lot of people are going to dismiss the story as a one-off.

"people don't seem to connect dots any more"
Sadly true. And when someone else does, they call them conspiracy theorists.

Only vaguely read about this do forgive me if I have got the wrong end of the stick and I know this sounds gross but if someone was waxing a guys balls and didn’t know what they were doing, couldn’t they cause him a serious injury.

If he wasn’t doing this as a publicity stunt surely he would have gone to someone more “expert” so to speak

Brendan O'Neil's take in Spiked on the whole sorry affair.

Canada’s bizarre trans-waxing controversy. Female waxers are being branded ‘transphobic’ because they refused to wax a trans-woman’s bollocks.

www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/19/canadas-bizarre-trans-waxing-controversy/

The entire JY case shows that the law of Canada not only legalises sexual assault but also criminalises victims for trying to protect themselves.

It's weird though, I am curious to read the decision from the case because it's really not clear to me what the law is at this point.

Most of the media ‘liberal lefties’ just don’t have any experience of or have read anything to move from the default status. They’re not bad people and have been brought up not to be racist, homophobic, non xenophobic their whole lives and think they’re doing good. Nobody likes a homophobe right?

When they read statements from esteemed organisations such as Stonewall, Amnesty, the UN etc they just swallow everything and take it as fact when people are portrayed as terfs, racists, nazis etc.

It just takes time and unfortunately the legislation will get enacted before the man / woman on the street is aware of what is happening or the consequences.

They will eventually though. It’s only unawareness which is enabling this. By the time people cotton on you won’t be able to criticise without being a nutter. I doubt Trump is popular he (doubt him personally but his party) rowed back on some trans right policies because it was him it just got lost in the anti immigrant, racist, homophobic rhetoric. People will rush to defend all sorts of looney transsexual stuff if It means opposing the Donald orange craziness. Obama’s bathroom bill left him all sorts of shit as was never formally enacted but any retreat would be viewed completely illiberal

Oliversmumsarmy

Yes, JY could go to any number of suitably trained, inclusive places.

JY targeted women who are immigrants, small business owners (some working out of their home). Forcing women to have their boundaries violated is part of the fetish.

You’d think that but the trans movement seems to be made of Teflon despite when any ‘progressive’ movements are completely opposed to each other.

So women’s rights and feminism falls short of religion and Islam. Then Muslims protesting against teaching of homosexuality fall short of something else and whatever whatever.

I’m not a lefty but am liberal. Sometimes you just have to defend your own morals As id describe rather than irrationally hedge continuously

I don't think Emily will get involved. I think this was a very careful way of signalling that she knows, but that's it. The BBC will stop her from publicly going any further than this (superficially neutral) comment.

I expect if she gets pushed on it she'll say something noncommittal about how JY isn't representive of trans people.

As frustrating as it is that women (in positions like Emily) won't speak up, I think we need to be careful not to pile on them immediately and make them feel backed into a corner where they then feel they need to "manage" the TRAs by making some pro-trans point for balance.

Emily, of course, is a famously expert eye-roller, so her superpower will have been deployed when she read about Yaniv.

If he wasn’t doing this as a publicity stunt surely he would have gone to someone more “expert” so to speak

I think there was also some suggestion that he asked for a payment for hurt feelings if he did not take them to court, Oliversmumsarmy. I may have misremembered this completely but it definitely didn’t seem like a mistake to choose those firms. Apparently local listings show there are firms specialising in both men’s and women’s waxing, including trans friendly places, that he could have gone to.

Emily may feel unable to comment but there will be many who follow her who may be peaked. It's getting word out on how ridiculous and abusive so much of this is or has the potential to be

if someone was waxing a guys balls and didn’t know what they were doing, couldn’t they cause him a serious injury

The goal was to get refusals. Not to get waxed. If any of the women had said they'd wax Yaniv's balls he would not have been interested and would have moved on to other women to collect more refusals. (It would be interesting if someone could get hold of information about women who agreed to wax his balls who were then removed from his list of targets.)

The refusals were the key. They meant he could then drag the women into a tribunal to make their lives a misery. He gets off on the harassment and abuse of women. The waxing is a colourful but ultimately irrelevant detail.

Yep grifters gonna grift. Of course Yaniv will attempt the bluff. Will we ever actually know how many women have came to a payment agreement to avoid either negative (but completely non justified) publicity or facing the kangaroo tribunal.

Note in the replies to that tweet, Leeze Lawrence, trans woman and equality adviser to the Scottish government, is doing their best to argue that the women should wax Yaniv's genitals

twitter.com/Miss_Leeze/status/1152283739982053379?s=19

They are trying to use religion as an example for not doing something is rediculous, we dont have religious liberty laws in the UK, so if someone goes into a public service job and doesn't follow the equality act then they are in the wrong job. We value secular society in the EU.

SunsetBeetch

I should be shocked by @Miss_Leeze, but to be honest I am not sure that anything shocks me any more. This is what the Scottish Governemnt Equality Adviser had to say.

"No ones compelling anyone to do anything, it's the job they signed up to, it's part of their training. Thousands of beautician all over the country know that the male grooming industry is booming and profitable and women take advantage of that. It's not new news JT."

and

"Ok, So Trans Women are women Janice, lets clear that up! but in this case, I do feel there should have been a more open conversation on the area being waxed. It's what I would advise trans women to do. But, do I think people can refuse services on the grounds of GID. NO!"