Should feminist petitions stay in Feminist Chat?

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Another petition has been shuffled off Feminist Chat to languish in the tumbleweed of the Petitions board.

I can totally understand that petitions in AIBU or _Chat could be annoying, and if they were allowed MN might get overrun with petitions.

But AIBU to think feminism is different as it is by definition an activist part of the site? Feminism isn't just chat, it's about doing stuff also.

Would you like to see feminist petitions stay in FWR? (i.e. on this board) instead of being hidden away on the Petitions board?

Do any regular users of the feminist boards actually object to feminist petitions being here?

I think MN should make an exception to the petitions rule for petitions on the feminist boards. What do you think?

I too did not know that MN had a petitions section. it's here in case anyone is interested

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard

while I was over there once I'd found it,I signed your petition Debbie

No of course they should not be permitted.

Unless any and every topic has the same privileges

It's got nothing to do with privileges.

It's to do with the fact that the nature of FWR is different to Chat.

If petitions were allowed in Chat, people would spam MN with them.

But most women in the feminist board have at least a passing interest in feminist petitions. I don't see how it'd even be possible to spam this board with them?!

I can use the petition link (thank you for that) but so I can find it in the future, which talk topic is it under? Apologies if that's obvious.

I think they can be intrusive and/or divisive

In what way SpartacusAutisticusAHF? Can you think of a petition on the Feminist boards that's been intrusive or divisive?

I always hit 'topics a to z' - right hand side of screen shot. I find the talk topic groupings pretty random

and here's the screen shot

Does anyone know what MNHQ's reasoning is for moving the petitions? I mean, we can guess. But did they ever tell us?

@MNHQ are you able to shed any light? Why do you remove petitions from FWR? Thanks.

It's to do with the fact that the nature of FWR is different to Chat.

Is it time for FWR to have its own spin off site? This does smack of FWR regulars considering themselves to be better than other MNers and therefore should have different rules applied to them.

Is it time for FWR to have its own spin off site? This does smack of FWR regulars considering themselves to be better than other MNers and therefore should have different rules applied to them.

WTF? That's a bit of a fucking leap isn't it?! SMH.

Different chat boards on MN have different subjects and cultures. Fuck all to do with superiority. Everything to do with observing facts.

The Litter Tray, Chat and Style and Beauty (to pick three boards at random) aren't political.

Feminism is.

That's a difference. Where to you imagine the superiority to be? I have no need for politics when I'm discussing my cat catching ringworm - do you?

This does smack of FWR regulars considering themselves to be better than other MNers and therefore should have different rules applied to them

eh? totally did not get that

I believe the argument went. where a board is dedicated to a special interest, it would make sense for threads about petitions to do with that special interest to stay on that board

Not that much of a leap!

Petitions go on the Petitions board. Why is MN FWR different? Perhaps the "Litter Tray" and "Style & Beauty" would also like relevant petitions?

Who decides what is and isn't relevant?

which talk topic is it under? Apologies if that's obvious

Not at all obvious!

I found it under Classified.

Who on earth would go looking there on the off chance there might be something relevant to feminism there?!

eh? totally did not get that

And I'm not better than anyone else ffs as if.

It's just I'm kinda focused on certain topics, and I'll admit I came for Relationships, but I'm pretty much all FWR now, some News, a little AIBU, and like a fair few other FWRs up thread didn't even know there was a seperate petitions board.

If the petition is relevant, then I'd like to know. Please. Thanks.

As for Is it time for FWR to have its own spin off site? umm we're not contagious! And we already have v stringent rules around posting, so if it's ok with you, I'd rather not be cast adrift.

Perhaps the "Litter Tray" and "Style & Beauty" would also like relevant petitions?

well yes,that's almost exactly what someone else said upthread, so your interpretation of FWR thinking they're 'better' has left me rather I'm afraid. can you elaborate?

Why is MN FWR different?

Because feminism is inherently political and it's all about being involved with activism.

Perhaps the "Litter Tray" and "Style & Beauty" would also like relevant petitions?

Well if they would, then they're free to ask MN to make an exception for them too. But, why would they? Neither keeping animals nor an interest in fashion is inherently political nor to do with political activism.

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

Are you being deliberately obtuse / spoiling for a fight?

I bet I'm not the only one who didn't know there's a separate board for petitions.

There is an argument that petitions should be in the relevant sections. But I can understand why MN are reluctant, because of the spam.

If FWR was given an exemption, then other areas could ask for one also, if they did really want one.

I suppose as a workaround in the meantime we post to the petitions board and then link to the thread or is that not allowed either?

And we already have v stringent rules around posting, so if it's ok with you, I'd rather not be cast adrift.

Fair enough, but there are so many threads in FWR complaining about how MNHQ choose to run their site (including the stringent posting rules) that it comes across that FWR regulars aren't really happy.

if they're not feminist people will ignore them and they'll drop down the board I guess

Or they could be reported, if they don't belong.

Does anyone know what MNHQ's reasoning is for moving the petitions? I mean, we can guess. But did they ever tell us?

Yes, it's to deter spamming, which has been an issue in the past. It's nothing specific to FWR.

Ha! Bernard - it's late here, someone bought me a stunning bottle or red, and I'm pleased to see I'm not the only at some of these posts.

I think I should log off tho, before I start thinking too highly of myself.

Are you being deliberately obtuse / spoiling for a fight?

Neither. Just genuinely (and frequently) puzzled why there are so many complaints about how MNHQ run their site.

I bet I'm not the only one who didn't know there's a separate board for petitions.

Hardly anyone does, AFAIK. And even most people who do, forget to check it.

It's a place of tumbleweed. The only posts with replies are those that started in a popular area of the site, before being moved there.

If FWR was given an exemption, then other areas could ask for one also, if they did really want one.

I'd make it the rule rather than the exception, for non-general topics.
I'd hope it would be possible for MN tech to detect the difference between spamming versus a single thread.

Just genuinely (and frequently) puzzled why there are so many complaints about how MNHQ run their site

Who's complaining? We're suggesting improvements.

This is our community, we care about it and want it to carry on improving.

MN is a business and can choose to pay heed or ignore us. But smart businesses (which MN is most of the time) tend to at least consider listening to their customer base, especially when they're so engaged.