Birthing mother abused for refusing male nurse 2

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I was actually quite glad the thread reached 1k as I'm not really enjoying it at all, but I've started this on me just in case there is anything else to add.

It ended on the note of talking about the subject of baby centered care.

I think negligence, forced intervention and poor treatment in hospitals can be just as responsible for a damaged baby as a woman who decides to go it completely alone.

One thing I will say, is that we can't have it both ways. We can't insist women are listened to and then blame the hospital when/if it all goes wrong.

But it seems that some women are being overriden by doctors, mainly by arrogance , but perhaps also a fear that they may be sued or something, I don't know. the doctor knows best model still seems to be the norm in hospitals. Women need to be listened to and catered to a lot more

I often think about what kind of knowledge was lost

We probably did lose a lot of knowledge, but was it correct information or more superstition. And yes, lets just ignore all the information we have gained, how women's bodies have changed making pregnancy have different risks, and how we are now able to assess the quality of information we have.

Some people swear by homeopathy still after all.

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So just to confirm you don't have a phobia of doctors and your lack of trust is perfectly normal and rational because that's just how men behave?

I don't mind female doctors treating me, no, that would always be my preference. As I said below the main reason is the gendered arrogance I experience at the hands of men

We probably did lose a lot of knowledge, but was it correct information or more superstition.

We'll never know will we. But really, how very dare they get rid of their competitors by killing them

You can't take men seriously today because of practices in the 1840s?

This. It’s batshit crazy if I’m honest. Some women who took babies in for mother’s who couldn’t afford them, around the same time that infection wasn’t so understood, many would take her baby, the money and then kill the child. Should we judge all women who foster today in the same way as you might back then?

It’s so silly to compare the men of now to the men of the 1800s.

Aaaargh ,
Regarding Fostering and adoption, there's an argument to be had, that if poor, young, foreign, single and/or disenfranchised mothers had more help, stability, financial security and understanding from the state and society at large, they wouldn't need to relinquish their children in the main (though there would always be exceptions)

When I worked in Liverpool I saw there were posters everywhere in the train stations promoting fostering. Then a lady in work was so excited that she "got" the little Polish boy after a lengthy process. I felt sorry for the Polish mother to be honest, in a foreign country, not understanding the system, the language, how things work. Yeah I'm sure she couldn't cope. I just felt sorry for her and her son.