NHS England gids piece on bbc news

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Not sure what I think about this. I suppose it's more measured than it might be.

However, what strikes me most is Dr Carmichael not being quoted as saying that the rise in referrals might have anything to do with the fact that the MSM and social media coverage might have had an effect on this - a transgender trend. To borrow a phrase

Sorry can only do rubbish screenshot atm.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49020371

Pretty much what Michelle Moore has been saying in that as soon as GD is the factor all other services wash their hands saying that that is the main issue and once sorted, everything else will follow.

Instead you get a transitioning young person with anorexia and MH issues.

So a clinic has opened in Leeds?

🤔

Yeah that was a surprise!

This is quite interesting. Helen Joyce tweeted out this article, saying:

This piece is interesting. There was journo briefing on gender dysphoria in kids today in London - & this is a much more balanced take than BBC's usual. The start of the U-turns many outlets are going to have to do in the coming few years? Fingers crossed!

twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1151566741996220416

And a reply to the tweet says:

Interesting. The headline is not "Transgender kids" as your thumbnail states, but is now "Children with gender identity issues".

twitter.com/SafiyaOutlines/status/1151572926623363072

So: there was a briefing for journalists on this topic today. Then the BBC published an article with transgender kids in the headline, which was swiftly changed to Children with gender identity issues.

BBC having to be dragged kicking and screaming into changing their framing?

Social transitioning is not something they recommend then. That seems to be at odds with the position of Mermaids and other lobby groups.

BBC having to be dragged kicking and screaming into changing their framing?

I will enjoy watching them petulantly be made to comply.

The same story in The Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/17/encouraging-children-socially-transition-gender-risks-long-term/

"Parents are risking psychologically damaging their children by allowing them to “socially transition” their gender without medical or psychiatric advice, NHS experts have warned."

So where does this leave schools and organisations such as Girl Guides who are facilitating social transition.

Well exactly. It's almost as if it's was rushed through without due care.

Parents are risking children's long term health?

Are we really going to turn around and blame parents (read: mothers) when schools, health professionals, organisations such as guides and so many more have told parents that they have no other choice and referred them to mermaids and the like where they are told that if they delay their children will commit suicide?

Exactly, emer

Interesting, thanks for posting.

emerencesometimeshopeful

Well quite. When we see America children being removed from their parents for the parents not agreeing they're trans?

And we see here, in Scotland, guidance saying if the parents aren't supportive, social services are a phone call away.

This is not something I will ever forget. There will be no spinning of this while I still have breath.

There will be a huge fall out regarding autism and all this.

I felt sick when I saw a fb discussion in the Twinkl sen group where a teacher piously stated that they are careful not to use words such as girls and women have a vagina etc as so many of their asd pupils are trans and they don't want to upset them. Sick and furious.

This statement from Mermaids .

"Meanwhile Mermaids, a charity which supports gender-diverse children, said: "Our approach as a charity is to take no position on the clinical or medical pathways a child or young person chooses to take.

"However, we do support the international best practice guidelines from the World Professional Association of Transgender Health, which suggest empowering people of all ages to express their gender identity freely at the present time, without pre-judging their future."

They are so bloody disingenuous - after all their pushing for kids to be 'transed' at younger and younger ages. Not quite sure how cutting off a child's penis fits in with not pre-judging their future

And their secret weekend breaks and secret forums where it's possible to find out which Tavistock clinicians are more likely to prescribe and what answers to give to get medical pathways.

stated that they are careful not to use words such as girls and women have a vagina etc as so many of their asd

Funny how it never seems to be a problem to use the words men and penis though isn’t it.

Covered again on the Today programme.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0006zwf

It was on at about 7.20 so about 1hr 20 in when it’s up on listen again. Justin Webb was the interviewer. He basically used Kirsty’s letter in his questions.

GIDS spokesperson (didn’t catch name) said about 50% of children are given puberty blockers or other hormone treatment. He also said that it would be very disappointing (or similar) phrase if other factors other than gender dysphoria were not considered.