Carriers v Spurters

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Martina weighs in.

Brandon is seeking a carrier but isn't happy that many people have criticised his use of the word. So he doubles down and calls objectors stupid and uneducated.

twitter.com/martina/status/1150553152204234752?s=12

I'm less concerned about his use of language than his apparent lack of understanding of the ethics of surrogacy and the process of pregnancy.

In UK, and I think US law the birth mother is the automatic legal parent of the child, so not just 'the carrier'.

He claims that the woman who gives birth to his child would not be 'used' because they would be very highly compensated, but then goes on to say that this excludes many people from surrogacy arrangements and looks forward to the cost of surrogacy falling dramatically.

He says that some women 'claim to enjoy pregnancy', which is really neither here nor there as it is impossible to predict the risks or effects of pregnancy, and of course somebody who feels they are pushed into surrogacy because of financial necessity will tell a client that they 'enjoy' the experience.

Re: the language it's designed to frame the child's origins in a way that supports the parent rather than the child, and is reminiscent of the way that adoptions used to be hidden.

How dehumanising.

But I suppose that’s the intention.

I've read very good things about the Citroen Berlingo

Agree Merry.

We can’t have Mothers being referred to can we.

As someone who’s mother abandoned her at 3 years old, I know no matter how wonderful the people who bring you up, are, the lack of a mother has affected me hugely, because no one spoke about it.
These men won’t talk about the Mothers either, will they.

Even though he understood he would need to wait, to ensure he was ready for the irreversible changes to his gender identity, going through puberty “devastated him.”

Female puberty might be an obvious sign that you are female, and many women find female puberty difficult.

However, it's difficult to understand how it would be more devastating than coming to terms with the fact that no surgery or drugs can fully create the effects of male puberty or a functioning penis, or lifelong dependence on drugs in a world where access to medicine is not guaranteed.

Now fifteen, Leo will soon be finishing his course of puberty blockers and start hormone replacement therapy, where he will receive the testosterone that will give him the male characteristics that are in line with his identity.

No, they won't. Neither drugs nor surgery can create a male body.

oops, wrong thread.

Carriers is such a dehumanising way to talk about the women involved with surrogacy.

All the physical risks and side effects associated with pregnancy and birth that he’s wanting them to undergo on his behalf, and he can’t refer to these women in a way that makes them sound like real people?

Carriers is such a dehumanising way to talk about the women involved with surrogacy.

It implies that there is nothing more to being pregnant than carrying a bag of shopping, which has dangerous medical connotations.

Carriers is such a dehumanising way to talk about the women involved with surrogacy.

It implies that there is nothing more to being pregnant than carrying a bag of shopping, which has dangerous medical connotations.

It also has overtones of infection and disease - we talk about someone being a 'carrier' of a contagious illness like typhoid or TB, or a recessive genetic disorder.

It’s pure misogyny. And yes all of the connotations are negative and dehumanising. This man clearly has no respect for women or children.

Sunday morning bump.