Foreign doctors and sex assaults.

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Foreign doctors are revealed to be behind 60% of all sex assaults on patients - but NHS wants fewer of them taken to disciplinary hearings

They accounted for 23 of 38 proven incidents in the past three years, according to figures obtained by The Mail on Sunday. Allegations include indecent behaviour, sexual assault and even rape.

‘It is not acceptable that if you come from some backgrounds, you are more likely to enter the formal disciplinary process, stay in it longer and have more career-limiting outcomes. We must change this and quickly.’

it suggested not enough was being done to help BME doctors, with some feeling ‘isolated’ or as if they were ‘treated as outsiders

Now I don't for a second want to raise nasty racial prejudices, but if these are PROVEN cases - shouldn't the emphasis be on making sure ALL offenders are prosecuted, and patients thoroughly protected, not on the careers of the poor doctors, whatever their ethnicity?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244791/Foreign-doctors-revealed-60-sex-assaults-patients.html

Yeah but no but yeah but it's mainly women and children who are assaulted. Not anyone as important as a doctor.

The NHS might want fewer taken to the disciplinary process but the GMC & MPTS might have a different opinion.

"Foreign-Trained doctors"

Many of whom are UK Nationals who couldn't get into UK med schools.

Tbh, I think the 'foreign doctors' is a smokescreen. This is really about the risk that some men (too many men) pose to women and children.

The NHS dont want cases of sexual and assault and even rape that can be proven taken to disciplinary hearings! Good take the fuckers straight to court instead, see how nicely a bit of time inside improves their previous career prospects, where ever they come from.

Does that suggest that women are less likely to complain about white doctors or that white doctors are less likely to get taken to disciplinary I wonder?

*precious

Are you formerly mediocre, or formerly male?

I don't see it as a racial thing at all. It's entirely cultural. If you're a man brought up to see women as subordinate and that women who don't share your faith are scum then it's not surprising that you're more likely to commit sex assaults on them.

What does foreign mean in this context?
What % of nhs docs meet this criteria?

How many of the people were male?

There's so much to unpack in that statistic!

And if it means that doctors receive more support and better training on how to avoid sexually assaulting patients, then I suppose it's a plus.

I would want to investigate if it was:

a) "foreign" doctors more likely to be complained about

b) more likely to be taken to a tribunal

c) more likely to offend for some reason

d) local doctors better at picking/intimidating their victims

e) local doctors being defended more thoroughly by their seniors.

There must be a few more things needing consideration.

I know this is a slightly separate (although related) point, but I am a doctor and have been shocked at the lack of knowledge from some foreign trained doctors. There are a few who would never have passed UK medical school exams - one obstetrician in particular comes to mind who told me that yams were the greatest cause of twin pregnancies (not maternal age, FH or certain genetic backgrounds...) and that beta-hcg is produced by the pituitary

Of course, it goes without saying that many are excellent, but the bar certainly seems to be set higher for UK medical students in my experience.

Should have said above the majority are excellent, not many.

Yeah, I have been told by a (foreign trained) Doctor that it is much easier to get accepted and train abroad. He advised a colleague of mine to do it.

I think it’s more cultural too. I was once asked by an A and E doctor if I was up for an extra marital affair. It was very blatant and I was attending A and E on a professional basis.
I think I was just seen as having low principals as I was from a different cultural background and it was maybe the done thing amongst the elite doctors.
Baffles me to this day and DH found it bemusing too.

And if it means that doctors receive more support and better training on how to avoid sexually assaulting patients, then I suppose it's a plus.

Can someone be "trained and supported" to avoid sexually assaulting a patient? Surely any decent human being would simply not sexually assault anyone?

One foot, I thought the poster was being ironic.

I was once asked by an A and E doctor if I was up for an extra marital affair.

I’m not surprised waiting times are so long if the triage questionnaire is that detailed.

Ha ha AlwaysComing Home, I was interviewing one of his patients.

prawn I thought most men in this world are brought up to see women as below themselves. See how we are treated in the “equal” UK?

Onefoot, Fin, a mix of irony and a dry acceptance that some men seem to need extra training to recognise their own behaviour. Clearly they are somehow under the misapprehension that it's ok.

I’d love to know how they’d effectively deliver that training. I suspect it wouldn’t make any difference.

Equally, in my opinion, anyone requiring this training is beyond hope and should not be a practising doctor in the first place.

I believe there has been a successful programme in one of the Nordic countries, delivered to immigrant men and women about equality. It spells out the right of women to make decisions about their own clothing, work, and generally as an individual living there.