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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Where are all the female big thinkers?

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BogstandardBelle · 13/07/2019 09:22

I've been reading / listening to podcasts by various "public intellectuals" and watching lots of TED talks / interviews recently etc (I happen to have a week alone at home while DH is away with our children). Some that I have really enjoyed are Sam Harris's Making Sense podcasts (recommended on here), TED interviews with him and others including Jared Diamond, George Monbiot, Yuval Harari, Douglas Rushkoff's Team Human Podcast. I've been reading a lot of history and geopolitics - George Friedman, Robert Kaplan (DH is a geography teacher, so we have a lot of these in the house anyway!). They are absolutely fascinating.

However, it has struck me just how white and male this whole group of thinkers / writers / academics is. I haven't specifically gone looking for female equivalents (that's where you can maybe help me out) but there certainly aren't any jumping off the screen at me. Sometimes the guests on the Podcasts are female - but not often. Maybe it's because the subject areas themselves to tend to be dominated by men - science, public perception of science, geopolitics, history, tech / AI etc.

Something I hate to admit, but I am trying to be honest about, is that maybe I don't find female equivalents because I don't expect them to be as clever, funny, challenging, well-informed. I am quite ashamed to admit this.

So help me out. Point me in the direction of female "public intellectuals" in these fields who will help me address my internalised academic misogyny ;-) . And if we are struggling to find them, maybe we could talk about why that is? It did strike me when Sam Harris was talking about the wonders of meditation, just when does he find the time to do this? Who's taking on his mental load while he's having all these "big ideas"?

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BillStickersIsInnocent · 13/07/2019 09:28

Brene Brown

Mary Beard

Helena Kennedy

Jo Marchant

Cordelia Fine

Just off the top of my head

BillStickersIsInnocent · 13/07/2019 09:31

And you’re right - the luxury of the mental space to ‘big think’ is facilitated by women, so men have a HUGE advantage.

BillStickersIsInnocent · 13/07/2019 09:36

Just looking at my bookshelves:

Susan Cain
Carol Dwight
Sheila Jeffreys

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/07/2019 09:46

the luxury of the mental space to ‘big think’ is facilitated by women, so men have a HUGE advantage

this. the 'only men tend to be great geniuses / artists / engineers' bullshit really boils my piss

intelligence requires a predisposition yes, but also the space, time and opportunity to develop it. Something that women still, all to often are denied. same with creativity or technical excellence

RedToothBrush · 13/07/2019 09:54

I love Margaret McCartney and her challenging of bias, political agendas and commercial interests in medicine.

Once you get your head around how manipulated data is in medicine it opens up a whole new way of viewing other areas outside medicine too.

She basically supports critical thinking in a way which everyone has a stake and can see the importance of.

TheInebriati · 13/07/2019 10:19

Lierre Keith has spoken on many issues from a feminist perspective.

Lierre Keith & Samantha Grey on Sexuality, Power, and Pornography
www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/learn/resources/video-lierre-keith-sexuality-power-and-pornography

''This is an excerpt from the book Deep Green Resistance;
''You cannot live a political life, you cannot live a moral life if you’re not willing to open your eyes and see the world more clearly. See some of the injustice that’s going on.''
dgrnewsservice.org/activists/deep-green-resistance/lierre-keith/

AlwaysComingHome · 13/07/2019 10:37

Authors constantly cited here:

Gina Rippon
Caroline Criado Perez
Alice Dreger

Someone others who’s books are in my immediate line of site:

Naomi Klein
Nessa Cary (biologist)
Rebecca Goldstein (philosopher)
Lisa Randall (physicist)
Alice Roberts (before her brain broke)

AlwaysComingHome · 13/07/2019 10:39

Line of sight. Oh, for an edit button.

RosaWaiting · 13/07/2019 10:48

what kind of subjects do you want?

Barbara Ehrenreich
Brene Brown
Ayan Hirsi Ali
Susan Greenfield
Susan Blackmore

ScrimshawTheSecond · 13/07/2019 10:53

Scientists, specifically? I highly recommend Elaine Morgan (evolutionary theory), whom I've just discovered has published what looks like a really interesting rebuttal of Pinker's 'Blank Slate'.

BogstandardBelle · 13/07/2019 10:57

Thanks all: two Cordelia Fine and one Naomi Klein ordered for summer reading.

@AlwaysComingHome what do you mean about Alice Roberts brain breaking? I’m familiar with her from the Wild Swimming programme she did, but I’m not in the UK so haven’t seen any of her other programmes.

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AlwaysComingHome · 13/07/2019 10:57

Reading now: Jennifer Doudna’s A Crack in Creation about her pioneering role in CRISPR editing.

I’m a science nerd so my library reflects that; physics and biology rather than history or politics so I can’t really name many women intellectuals outside my current obsessions. I’ve got tonnes of books on neuroscience by female authors; far more than on physics.

MockerstheFeManist · 13/07/2019 11:02

The cautionary tale of the Ancient World's greatest female mind:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/07/2019 11:02

Angela Saini currently reading 'Superior' which is about science and race. It's impressively well researched, she properly knows her stuff

BogstandardBelle · 13/07/2019 11:02

What about podcasts? Any ones by women that you’d recommend?

Subjects... public science, philosophy, geography and geopolitics. Politics. Climate change.

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AlwaysComingHome · 13/07/2019 11:03

what do you mean about Alice Roberts brain breaking?

A few weeks ago she seemed to have a meltdown of Twitter. Started posting stuff about there being more than two sexes, implying that people with intersex conditions are neither male nor female. When challenged she went full-TWAW, then stropped off Twitter, running to the press and claiming she was the victim of misogyny.

Many of us here followed the thread live. We saw the comments and we know she lied. Some of those challenging her on intersex conditions were intersex themselves, sick of being used in the transgender wars.

AlwaysComingHome · 13/07/2019 11:06

I don’t follow many podcasts but The Infinite Monkey Cage will almost always have a woman scientist on

AlwaysComingHome · 13/07/2019 11:08

That said, Alice Roberts The Incredible Unlikeliness of Being is a superb book on evolution and foetal development.

BillStickersIsInnocent · 13/07/2019 11:09

Carol Dweck that should be - on growth mindset

AlwaysComingHome · 13/07/2019 11:10

I’m serious about those books being in my line of sight. My room is a mess. I’m considering getting Jordan Peterson round to tidy it for me.

FermatsTheorem · 13/07/2019 11:12

On the bookshelf behind the table I'm sitting at:
Naomi Klein
Karen Armstrong (theologian)
Ayan Hirsi Ali
Dorothy Hodgkin (biography of her)

The philosophy and feminist books are upstairs...

DrLouiseMoody · 13/07/2019 11:54

For God's sake, avoid most philosophers' - something's gone VERY wrong with our discipline of late 😂

EverardDigby · 13/07/2019 13:01

Radio 4's Life Scientific purposely has an even balance of female and male scientists.

Goosefoot · 13/07/2019 13:08

I think the question of women having time is the main reason. I have heard some people suggest also that for many women, their creative energy goes into their children, and I think that is also true for many of them.

Anyway, some thoughts on interesting (and sometimes controversial) women thinkers others haven't mentioned that I noticed:

Simone Weil
Edith Stein
Dorothy Day
Mary Midgley
Camille Paglia
Rachael Carson

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