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Dr H Again: Prescribing Estradiol Is No Pain (5th thread, it's said)

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SunsetBeetch · 12/07/2019 17:40

twitter.com/AdrianHarrop/status/1148986526795272192?s=19

I had the pleasure today of prescribing a young trans woman her first batch of Estradiol patches... I’ve hardly ever seen a patient look so happy to be holding a prescription in their hands, after waiting literally years for this day to arrive... an absolute privilege 😀👍🏼🏳️‍🌈

And if anyone is interested:

1️⃣ This is super easy. It’s run-of-the-mill general practice. I prescribe the exact same medication to cis women in the form of HRT on an almost daily basis.

2️⃣ This is super cheap. A month’s worth of Estradiol patches costs a grand total of £18.12.

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SunsetBeetch · 13/07/2019 10:45

Here is Harrop laughing over a cake advert that demeans women (thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3635350-Konditor-joy-through-cake-advert?msgid=88511963#88511963 )

Dr H Again: Prescribing Estradiol Is No Pain (5th thread, it's said)
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SorryAuntLydia · 13/07/2019 11:28

Dr H’s tweet promotes the use of a prescription only medicine (POM) directly to the public and outside of its licensed indications. This goes way beyond advertising standards. Promoting specific medicines directly to the public is against the law. Promoting medicines outside of their license is against the law. Dr H has potentially committed a CRIMINAL breach of the Human Medicines Regulations 2012. Are there any legal people here who might want to take this up? Alternatively any of us can make a complaint directly to to the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency).
MHRA guidance

Dr H Again: Prescribing Estradiol Is No Pain (5th thread, it's said)
JustGiveMeTwoMinutes · 13/07/2019 12:06

So has anyone reported these tweets?

SunsetBeetch · 17/07/2019 19:05

I didn't think this man could shock me with his irresponsible tweets any more. I was wrong.

"It’s quite easy to spot transphobic colleagues in the medical profession: they consistently fail to acknowledge or accept that trans-affirmative healthcare is a life saving treatment, & that trans people are willing to take on even potentially life threatening risks to access it."

"Any relatively small risks, and even the risk of death itself, often pale into insignificance compared with the inevitable anguish that a trans person is forced to endure if they are denied trans-affirmative healthcare. Transphobic doctors fail to acknowledge the reality of this."

"In my own experience, upon telling a trans person that they face an elevated lifetime risk of thromboembolism, cancer or heart disease after taking hormone therapy, I can assure you the vast majority would respond with a clear, resounding statement: “it’s more than worth it”. ✊🏼"

twitter.com/AdrianHarrop/status/1151248907378319360?s=19

Dr H Again: Prescribing Estradiol Is No Pain (5th thread, it's said)
Dr H Again: Prescribing Estradiol Is No Pain (5th thread, it's said)
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InsulatedCup · 17/07/2019 19:12

In the same way that telling a patient that the drug they are addicted to is causing them all sorts of harm, but prescribing it to them anyway because it makes the patient happy.

Excellent.

Aaarrgghhh · 17/07/2019 20:37

I’m sure many other people have been happy to receive prescriptions that will make them feel better. I left smiling, crying and thanking my doctor when I received a prescription to help me feel better.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 17/07/2019 20:42

Just a reminder...

Dr H Again: Prescribing Estradiol Is No Pain (5th thread, it's said)
FannyCann · 17/07/2019 20:47

And he always has some personal "experience" to back up his assertions. Who needs evidence based practice, NICE and RCTs after all. Confused

TheRollingCrone · 17/07/2019 20:58

I, I , just can't - that man is an utter tool. I almost want some producer to commission a tv show from him so the tool will leave twitter. After LM he has to be the biggest troll going. god I fear for his patients Sad

pombear · 17/07/2019 21:14

Bit of a long post ahead: short version = this is dangerous.

This is a doctor I would have concerns about visiting with other conditions, or if I was presenting with gender dysphoria myself.

I would also be concerned with his understanding of shared decision-making.

An overarching concern:
Harrop: It’s quite easy to spot transphobic colleagues in the medical profession: they consistently fail to acknowledge or accept that trans-affirmative healthcare is a life saving treatment, & that trans peopleare willing to take on even potentially life threatening risks to access it.

Any relatively small risks, and even the risk of death itself, often pale into insignificance compared with the inevitable anguish that trans person is forced to endure if they are denied trans-affirmative healthcare

"Trans-affirmative healthcare" still doesn't have a robust evidence-base to support this approach. So to call it a 'life-saving treatment' right now is highly risky.

To conflate 'small risks' with 'even the risk of death itself' is concerning. Those 'transphobic colleagues' are essential sounding-boards for those people with dysphoria to be able to seek second opinions from.

Let's apply the same reference points to another body dysphoric condition:

Annorexia: (translated to Harrop language) It's quite easy to spot anna-phobic colleagues in the profession: they consistently fail to acknowledge or accept that anna-affirmative healthcare is a life saving treatment, & that annorexic people are willing to take on even potentially life threatening risks to access it.

In my own experience, upon telling a annorexic person that they face an elevated risk of fertility loss, heart failure, weakened immune system [or even death], I can assure you the vast majority would respond with a clear, resounding statement: “it’s more than worth it"

Suicidal patient: telling a suicidal person that they face an elevated risk of death if they decide on a non-treatment pathway doesn't result in celebratory tweets to shout about it. They may decide, following serious discussion, that this is a pathway they choose for themselves, but let's not celebrate with it's more than worth it tweet for their suicide-affirming decision.

Not quite the same, but a cancer patient with a terminal diagnosis: decides to opt for best supportive care, because their quality of life may be significantly lowered if they decide to join a clinical trial that may extend their life, but with serious side effects. 'Risk of death is worth it' Again, it may be their right, and measured, decision, but not something we'd expect a doctor to post a celebratory tweet about?

It doesn't work, does it. You have a moral, medical and ethical responsibility to work with the person with dysphoria, rather than just barrel into a treatment regime just because your poliical agenda favours rainbows, unicorns and trans?

This is a man who strikes me as having lost his perspective on clinical care for the sake of a political agenda.

And that's dangerous.

SunsetBeetch · 17/07/2019 21:42

Yes pombear you've put into words.my concerns. The man has become a zealot. He has no objectivity and that's dangerous for a doctor. He could be a Webberley #2

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CloudRusting · 17/07/2019 22:05

Hello doctor. I’d like more opiates. I consider myself to be in pain and view My life is worthless without them. Side effects you say? The risks are more than worth it. I’d also like a standing order for antibiotics whilst we are about it.

How many women here have had a doctor tell them they will no longer prescribe the contraceptive pill or HRT because of the risks involved to the individual even if the woman considers it vital to their ongoing and are willing to run those risks? Or don’t we count because we are actual women?

FormerMediocreMale · 17/07/2019 22:26

This man is dangerous, how is he allowed to practice?

That was blatant advertising by a businessman (As well as dodgy dr) for a specific medication off label.

As he is advertising the price rather than normal prescription price I assume that he is working privately rather than NHS? Is that what his registered business is?

If businesses are not allowed to advertise drugs esp off license direct to the public, haven't the wobblies been doing that also?

SunsetBeetch · 08/08/2019 17:05

Here we go again with some more bullying of a woman and reporting her to her employers.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3660092-Adrian-Harrop-another-one-for-the-GMC#prettyPhoto

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9years · 08/08/2019 17:24

Susan Bewley is a Professor. So Prof Bewley. As a consultant surgeon, she was Miss Bewley. A doctor such as Harrop can only dream about having such experience and expertise.

Alwaysgrey · 08/08/2019 17:36

I’m surprise he is allowed to practise. It sounds like he’s handing out smarties.

What strikes me is a lot of the time it’s trans women speaking up calling us cis women (we I find offensive, woman is fine ta), terf and bigot.

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