It's all women's fault

[Binglebong]

I came across this poem. It really does show what we're up against. Not sure what this thread is for really, just thought it should be shared.

The author was Virginia Woolf's abusive cousin btw.

A Thought

James Kenneth Stephen (1859–92)

IF all the harm that women have done
Were put in a bundle and rolled into one,
Earth would not hold it,
The sky could not enfold it,
It could not be lighted nor warmed by the sun;

Such masses of evil
Would puzzle the devil
And keep him in fuel while Time’s wheels run.
But if all the harm that ’s been done by men
Were doubled and doubled and doubled again,

And melted and fused into vapor and then
Were squared and raised to the power of ten,
There would n’t be nearly enough, not near,
To keep a small girl for the tenth of a year.

Well he's dead. Unfortunately his stupidity and misogyny didn't die with him.

That poem is just nasty.
Given the behaviour of many men throughout history, just blatent lies.

Blasphemous even.

I’m don’t think it should be shared. It’s one guys expression. Leave it be.

I rarely see the hatred so openly. Most hide it a bit but this was so clearly saying that women are what is wrong with the world. How do you fight this thinking?

He would be a definite incel today.

Why do you not think it should be shared Pip? For me it gives an insight into the thinking behind the hatred. I want to understand it.

that level of delusion is terrifying.

did he write it after his accident, I wonder?

Well the MRAs that lurk, are going to be delightedly sharing that around their friends. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't want to understand the hatred, but I think sometimes people need to see it more clearly.

However, on reflection, I am actually thinking maybe this poem shouldn't get more oxygen!

A 19th century DARVO.

I believe it was after his accident Rosa, although I can't be sure.

I think the more people who see it the better. It's shocking. So shock people. Let them see the way people really think, how can they claim people don't really hate women when they see that?

Aargh that's bad.
Really, really bad.
Even if the sentiment were spot on, it would be bad.
And the sentiment is awful.
How could anyone related to Woolf write that shit?
And how does one fuse something into vapour anyway?
Vaporisation involves the breaking of bonds, not fusing surely?
Argh, it's so bad.

Add that poem to the tally of "wrongs" done by men and recalculate, mate.

It's pretty bad but you do see this all the time that it's not even that bad. Like all the "philosophers" over the centuries who have pondered the vexing question "are women human?". Napoleon said, a chicken is not a bird and a woman is not a human. I mean it's literally endless, the misogyny

I know very little about him but I understand he was a predatory arsehole.
What I saw didnt say rape but it was implied.

I suspect this scumbag did one good thing in the world - he helped shape Virginia Woolf. Seeing how he behaved must have influenced her thinking.

Hadn't heard this Sakura. I think we need to. Too long it has been brushed under the carpet - let the world see how women are really treated and the history of that. At the moment people (including myself) often can't see the problem and it needs highlighting.

I admit, I previously thought racism wasn't that common. Publicity around recent atrocities and the "little things", like that woman on a plane yesterday, have made me rethink that. I am sure I am not alone in that and I believe a similar thing needs to be done on how women are treated, both the big things and the little.

Binglebong

I'm guessing you haven't read Kate Miller's Sexual Politics. It's the best book I've ever read. She details the misogyny in literature. About how when women were finally taught to read, they discovered what men really thought of them. She says she has to thank Henry Miller "for letting us know"

Kate Millet*

" I admit, I previously thought racism wasn't that common."

now I'm busy being shocked by this!

I don't think the poem of someone like this will get the message out to people who don't want to hear it, tbh.

I come from a very white area - as a result I rarely see racism first hand. I see shootings and similar on TV which are obviously shocking but what I don't see are the little everyday things. I found Small Great Things opened my eyes to the microaggressions that I simply don't see because of where I live. I have no doubt j still miss a lot.

I don't think the poem of someone like this will get the message out to people who don't want to hear it, tbh.

I believe there are people willing to hear it who hear only heard the side claiming it's all hyperbole. Things like this give the evidence that it's not.

The poet seemed to suffer both a mental illness and an acquired brain injury, it would be an unfortunate choice of role model.

Nor was his opinion particularly novel: in a biblical sense, Eve was the architect of humankind’s descent into sin.

This popped up in my newsfeed today, the idea that women are intellectually inferior in an old one.
www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/07/womens-suffrage-nineteenth-amendment-pseudoscience/593710/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-fb-test-1076-2-&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social

But I rather enjoyed that journey into the more arcane byways of Victorian literature. His Wikipedia entry was clearly written by a fellow Etonian!

came across this poem. It really does show what we're up against

It's the demented ramblings of someone who died in 1895 who, even before he sustained head injuries, had serious mental health issues.

he helped shape Virginia Woolf is he to blame for her being an antisemitic snob?