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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girl guiding strategy survey

22 replies

MrsFionaCharming · 11/07/2019 12:19

www.girlguiding.org.uk/strategysurvey/

In case anyone would like to give their thoughts

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Chickenish · 11/07/2019 12:41

Link?

TurboTeddy · 11/07/2019 12:56

www.girlguiding.org.uk/strategysurvey/

koshkat · 11/07/2019 13:13

Bit dubious about the way they keep referencing 'all girls' - it sounds innocent enough but answer in a certain way and they will use this as evidence that people want boys who identify as girls in Guides.

Beamur · 11/07/2019 13:16

Just answered it. There are a couple of questions with free text boxes where you can write what you want.
It is carefully worded.

loveyouradvice · 11/07/2019 13:34

bump so people fill in - you dont have to be involved

teawamutu · 11/07/2019 14:01

I filled it in. The word biological appeared in the free text boxes quite a lot.

Heratnumber7 · 11/07/2019 14:21

Got the email. Will look at survey later when I have more time.

SorryAuntLydia · 11/07/2019 14:35

So confused by their policies ...
Girlguiding states it is a ‘single sex’ organisation but conversely states that it allows boys and men who self-identify as transgender girls and transgender women to join.
This is so unclear that it appears to be a deliberate obfuscation which will prevent many parents understanding this and leave them unable to make informed decisions.
Or do the Girlguiding policy-makers really believe that biological males magically change sex when they adopt a female pronoun?

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koshkat · 11/07/2019 14:49

They seem to care very little for the safety of girls as far as I can see. I told them that and also that my daughter will not be joining Guides due to their mixed sex policy.

Beamur · 11/07/2019 14:50

I think the Guides have been thoroughly taken to task about their use of single sex, when they really mean single gender
The website is a mishmash of both.
It is something they need to be more consistent with and communicate better.

Juells · 11/07/2019 14:52

It is something they need to be more consistent with and communicate better.

That's assuming that they want to be clear Wink

TurboTeddy · 11/07/2019 15:38

loveyouradvice
I tried to complete it but on the second page where it asks you if you're a parent, GG member volunteer etc I selected none of the above and it took me straight to a page saying "thank you for taking part in this survey". I didn't have the option of answering any questions. Did this happen to anyone else? Should I have lied on page 2 in order to continue?

donquixotedelamancha · 11/07/2019 21:09

There is a write in section at the end. I asked them to stop self ID and strengthen safeguarding.

I would hope as many of us as possible will fill this in.

Thanks OP.

capercaillie · 11/07/2019 21:15

I hope some of you are actually involved in volunteering with Girlguiding and have actually spent time planning, running meetings and attending trainings.

AgnesBadenPowell · 11/07/2019 21:44

I missed this (strangely I'm no longer on the mailing list....) so have shared widely. There are hundreds of thousands of members, parents and volunteers. Now's the chance to tell them why single spaces matter.

MrsFionaCharming · 11/07/2019 22:40

Hi Caper. I’m a volunteer, I’ve been a leader in Guiding for over 10 years. CHQ is ignoring the concerns raised by leaders and parents, that’s why I believe it’s important to share opportunities to voice our views.

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Sittinonthefloor · 11/07/2019 22:45

Caper - I’m a volunteer, leader & a parent. I’ve completed the survey - although it’s very carefully written; asking to choose the priorities from a small selection. And of course they have a track record in misusing sex/gender, so maybe when I said it was important to keep Guides single sex they’ll take that to mean girls + boys impersonating girls.

underneaththeash · 12/07/2019 08:08

I filled it in yesterday, it's very, very woolly.
A lot of the options are not fully explained, but you can put this on the last section. It also gave me an opportunity to whinge about the dreadful UMAs.

ifancyagreencard · 12/07/2019 08:19

Filled mine in yesterday. Didn’t bother ranking a lot of the woolly, on trend statements. Did piss myself at the prospect of a Guiding app for girls to communicate. We don’t even have a fit for purpose database atm (and there’s not exactly a dearth of SM platforms out there for communication) so why the hell GG is even considering launching one is beyond me.

Did use the three free flow boxes to, yet again, point out the flaws in Go and the programme.

Anyway, it’s all a load of old bollocks as GG isn’t responding constructively to current feedback re the programme/trans policy/Go. So what’s the point asking for more to ignore?

Beamur · 12/07/2019 08:22

Capercaillie
I do.
I'm actually a big fan of Guides and think what they do for young women is amazing. My DD is a Guide, was also a Brownie.
I see first hand what a wonderful and empowering experience being in an environment which is made up of women going out there and doing stuff can be. I'd really like Guides to protect that for girls and to know how valuable it is.

FormerMediocreMale · 12/07/2019 08:34

I said at the end it should remain single biological sex, that scouts was open to all of you were not female.

Also in overnight stays staff should be biological females as safeguarding of children was more important than any days feelings.

FormerMediocreMale · 12/07/2019 08:34

*any adults feelings

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