"Women are stupid"

[sakura184]

There was a recent scandal in Japan where it was discovered that the top medical university there had been faking test scores. Basically women had been outperforming men in the tests for years but the university had been altering women's scores so that men received university places instead of women.

Anyway, I was just reading up about another case where 5 Japanese students attacked a female student and the justification of one of the attackers was that "women are stupid"

One of the accused said in court that he had looked down on women because they are “stupid.”

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/02/national/social-issues/japans-gender-problem-human-disaster-says-award-winning-scholar-chizuko-ueno/#.XSZ-bCUo_Dt

I've had a lot of experience of being treated like I was stupid, by both men and women, but mainly by men. It's like I go through life being seen as "a stupid person". But I loved university, because I loved not feeling stupid when I got essay or test results back.
Anyway this idea that women are stupid has definitely affected me.
Only after i discovered feminism did I learn how amazingly unstupid women actually are and how deep of a lie it is to say women are stupid

@colafreezepop you are right. This is how it is. One assumption is that it is only those people who provide a direct service to capital who deserve to be paid and that this is fair. Of course, sustaining a population is a service to capital, but it is indirect.

Nobody wants the human race to die out. They may want population growth to slow, but most people don't want it to reach an abrupt stop. Therefore, we accept that reproduction is essential. The burdens of reproduction fall disproportionately on women.

All other labour that sustains society is paid except caring and reproductive labour.
Why should we just accept this as part of an inevitable structure? It's not fair and it cannot be fair because of our biology.

Rather like the "both parents should be able to work but in our family it makes more sense for me to give up my job" myth, apparently a lot of people think that in general men and women are equally intelligent but their brother/dad is more intelligent than them/their mum.

Marilyn Frye. Thanks, I'll look it up.

The assumptions you need to make to think it's right that a marketing consultant gets six figures while a sahm gets nothing are quite profound.

But the marketing consultant has an employment contract and is bringing his employer money in a straightforward, measurable, and non-convoluted manner.

In a way, is the husband who thrives through the support of his spouse not 'paying' by being the one who has to go to work and deal with corporate bullshit and office drudgery rather than spending time wirh his children as most fathers would probably do if they won the lottery?

Maniak *

It's not fair and it cannot be fair because of our biology

I lost out on promotion opportunities the minute I conceived. I lost out to a job simply because I was pregnant and was told this was the reason ( was living in Japan at the time and the employer didn't even bother hiding the reason with a pretext). So women lose out from the moment they conceive, let alone the rest of it.

That's when I saw it had to be radical feminism or nothing. We can't fit women like a square peg into a round hole designed by, and for the benefit of, men.

@lBjornAgain81

Sorry but the "poor men" argument doesn't wash with me because men invented the system.

All men agree that they will allow some men more power as long as all men can rule over women

Once you study economics from a feminist perspective you see how parasitical men are of female labor

Some men don't like their jobs (but they still get paid heaps). They are the patriarchy's true victims. Now I feel bad for talking about women's rights and neglecting them.

@sakura yes exactly. It's the same in western societies. When you're home with babies (without any time off even to sleep through the night) people call it "taking time off" from work, or a lifestyle choice, and you don't get paid. Even though pregnancy is inevitable for most women. That is the structural inequality. What i don't understand is where's the anger?

Maniak

Most men's jobs literally exist off the back breaking work of women's low paid labour. Women are taxed, for example, just like men, and a lot of government jobs are given to men. The military is funded by taxes. Prostitutes are taxed by the government.

I remember one feminist saying, if a man hates his job he's probably not hurting women too much with it. It's the men who "love" their jobs you have to worry about.

@Meniak most mothers are too tired to be angry. To be fair loads of women don't see inequality until either they have children, or they become a SAHM and their spouse divorces them.

We can't fit women like a square peg into a round hole designed by, and for the benefit of, men.

I feel this needs stressing.

A great example of a man who loves his job would be that surgeon posing with two buckets of breast tissue

I grew up in the 90s and don't recall ever thinking that women weren't as smart as men.

I remember vividly many men/boys thinking that they were smarter than women/girls.

Cartoon from Jackie Fleming

I have never, ever felt or been led to believe that I , or any other women, are stupid. Certainly anyone who spent more than 10 seconds in my company would realise I’m most definitely not! Again from a family of strong women and a dad who thought me and my sis were the bees knees

I've never understood the idea that someone should be able to be a CEO and do the work of raising children. It's like saying someone should be able to be CEO and an electrician or a CEO and a philosophy professor. Some people switch careers of course but the time spent doing something else makes a difference. People who want jobs like that generally have to have a spouse or nanny to do the bulk of the child-rearing.

I don't understand the idea that there are fewer women's contributions because they are so often killed for being women. As already pointed out it's not a common type of death anyway, but it's also the case that men are the most common victims of men's violence, and they are also the ones who are typically killed in great numbers in wars. Whatever the reason for the difference it's not that.

There are some very weird comments on here. Capitalism exploits the labour of all workers, that's the heart of the whole structure. It doesn't care if you are a man or a woman as long as you can work for pay. Lots f men are exploited ni their labour, do people not know anything about the history of the labour movement?!!

I am actually really shocked.

I agree, Goosefoot.

Men are also most often the people at the bottom as well as the top. Suicide is the biggest cause of death of men under 50. Strange considering how perfect their lives supposedly are.

And it's not easy for a man to marry into a comfortable life like a woman can.

Yes well the 11 plus was weighted so that more boys passed than girls. So when I hear men bragging that they got into grammar school blah blah I think yeah right! This has been going on a long time.

Women who are childless and single may well outearn men.
But women in professional jobs with a professional partner have a bind that men in professional jobs don't. Because men are the ones who are allowed to relocate for work etc. Even without children men don't follow their wives' work.

Decormad38 For much of the 20th century medical schools had a cap on the number of women who could study medicine, so very similar.

sakura184 Wilkins took Watson into Franklin's office and showed him Photo 51, Watson immediately realised the cross pattern suggested DNA was a helix, a conclusion neither Wilkins or Franklin had completely made yet. He used this, along with lots of other data from other sources to work out the double helix structure. They did not 'steal' her work, nor did they take credit, Franklin's paper with Photo 51 was published in the same edition of Nature as the Double Helix paper by Crick and Watson, they are right next to each other, the link is clear.

Most men's jobs literally exist off the back breaking work of women's low paid labour. Women are taxed, for example, just like men, and a lot of government jobs are given to men. The military is funded by taxes. Prostitutes are taxed by the government

What a random selection of non sequiturs.

As for women being told they are stupid I might remind the OP that the "feminist" blog she posted about so approvingly on the antinatalist thread said women who have children are stupid.

CountFosco

Thanks for mansplaining how they stole her work and passed it off as their own