The TRAs are speading lies again.

[SunsetBeetch]

What's rattled their cages, I wonder?

Firstly, we have Christine Burns

twitter.com/FeministRoar/status/1148249339241910273?s=19

"Ah I see it's all been kicked off this morning by Christine Burns posting multiple threads about how women's grassroots organisations are a "sham" and need investigating. Cue mass response accusing them of "money laundering", "fraud" & details on how to report them to HMRC. t.co/bFY4njBzHy"

And then a Glasgow councillor, Rhiannon Spear, retweeting the Irish furry Casey Explosion

"Brilliant thread detailing how anti-trans groups in the UK are being funded by US far right groups that are anti-abortion rights.

Their fundraisers in the pics total
£74k! 🙄

The @tiecampaign could do so much with this kind of money.

Support us here - t.co/JBSQX11YJj"

TIE is an LGBT inclusive education campaign.

Take a look at TIE (@tiecampaign): twitter.com/tiecampaign?s=08

"This way of thinking is now rife in Ireland."

And yet, it is all just rumour and smear, since no-one has provided any proof.

It would be great of those making such smears could provide definitive proof but they can't because it doesn't exist.

Meanwhile, the funding for the Trans Lobby is discovered and it is very right wing:

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Excellent thread detailing all the pro trans organisations that have seen recent massive increases in their funding

"I see we have a little bit of narc rage going on. So, of course, it's false accusation time. I love this because I've come to learn that accusations are admissions, and so I go digging. Now, who is it that's had a sudden and considerable increase in financial fortunes recently? t.co/8yjToWOLDI "

twitter.com/MRKHvoice/status/1148285892806811649?s=19

That's very illuminating Sunset and also we all know that in Scotland the government have been funding the groups who then use that money to lobby the government.

There’s some brilliant comments on this thread that have made me properly LOL

ah, they’re so close, but...swing and a miss. There certainly is a lot of shadowy donating going on in this whole debate, but it’s not flowing into GC feminists pockets.

The blatant sexism of thinking feminists must be getting our “real” support, ideas, drive, money, creativity etc from elsewhere is just breathtaking. Women aren’t surprised by women getting shit done against the odds, even though we might risk being unfeminine or breaking a nail doing it. Astonishingly, many of us earn our own fucking livings and can autonomously decide where we want to bung a spare twenty quid to protect our rights. Mad, eh?

MenstruatorExtraordinaire

Thank you! I needed a good laugh this morning!

"Ah I see it's all been kicked off this morning by Christine Burns posting multiple threads about how women's grassroots organisations are a "sham" and need investigating.

Guardian 2013 article including the origins & work of the TRA lobby group Press For Change:

(extract)
Christine Burns is one of a generation who vividly remembers reading about Ashley in the papers when she was a young child. (Ashley appeared in a six-week special in the News of the World: "They were one of the very few who paid me and they behaved impeccably. I was very sad when the News of the World closed," says Ashley.) The existence of someone like her in the public eye was a great comfort for Burns. In the 90s, when she was chair of the Women's Supper Club of the local Conservative party association in Cheshire, she quietly joined Press for Change. Even then, the new activists dared not be openly trans. "The thing that held us back in the 1990s campaigning was that fear of being out," admits Burns. Eventually, she came out in 1995; she jokes that she realised she was more embarrassed to be a member of the Conservative party than openly transsexual.

Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press". In popular culture, the activists became more forthcoming in their attempts to increase popular understanding of trans issues." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

thread discussing the history of influential trans rights lobbyists & their influence over policy changes:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3632470-R4-10-part-series-by-Michael-Crick-Tales-from-the-Lobby-the-next-biggest-scandal-waiting-to-happen-1-45-pm

I think the issue TRAs have is that they have desperately surrounded themselves by only those who agree with them and demonize 'terfs'. They have blocklists of 80k women who are apparently terfs. Yet, the large blocklists never seem to translate to 'hold on, there might be more of these terfs than we think'. Instead they still appear to convince themselves that 'terfs' are literally a handful of nasty bigots, maybe 50 at most, who make hundreds of sock accounts to be all womany and terfy on, hence the blocklist being 80k strong.

So when a few hundred women come together chipping into a fundraiser, they simply cannot believe its real. As this would make the terf population 4x their 50 that they have convinced themselves it is. AT LEAST as not every terf will have donated.

No no. The fact that many many women might want to keep the womens rights that have been won, or might possibly care about harm done to children, does not even enter their minds at all. So the logical thing is obviously 'this crowdfunder was a front for money from US rightwing evangelical christians who are anti abortion. To hide what they were doing, said US rich christian group made a few hundred accounts on gofundme, and donated small sums in amounts of a fiver, a tenner, the odd fifty. Just to make it look legit.

Such explanations are surely more believable than anything else! Disagree? Fucking bigot.

Why are we always affiliated in their minds with US far right pro choice batshittery? Do they not see how unlikely it is that feminists, heck any women, would identify with yet another lot of mostly men trying to take their rights away?

Most GC women are clearly left leaning liberals, why do they persist in the fascist far right thing? Its just so unlikely.

Always remember that, where narcs are concerned, accusations are admissions.

Why do they call us right wing and reactionary? Because male supremacy is a right wing, reactionary project - whether it comes with glitter attached or not.

Accusations are admissions.

Mermoose true but Irish woke Twitter isn't the real world, no matter how effective they've been at influencing public bodies and political parties. It happened from the top down, not the grassroots. TENI are awash in cash and all over the corporate world. Doesn't mean your average Irish person is going to be okay with what's coming down the tracks. Because they were never consulted about it for a start. Just compare it to the years of (often very bitter) public discourse about abortion rights. That was democracy in action.

Accusations are admissions.

Thank you Lang - that's a really useful phrase to remember.

pachyderm I hope you're right and that there is a move to stop what's happening.
Just compare it to the years of (often very bitter) public discourse about abortion rights. That was democracy in action.
I know, it's crazy isn't it. Imagine if women had said 'No Debate', just clicked our fingers and the law was changed without telling anyone. It's hard to believe sometimes that we're the powerful privileged ones.

Lying is par for the course. And when shown that they are lying they just double down on it.