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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dr Em article 'The Rainbow Reich: Transgender Ideology and Totalitarianism' Very important analysis of context: 'this attack on women is global and cross-cultural. It comes in many different guises'

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R0wantrees · 08/07/2019 09:46

Part 1
(extract)
"One thing that is common to men of all political leanings is their desire and perceived need to control women. This hatred and domination of women bonds the societies of men. Peter Beinart has observed that ‘Trump, Bolsonaro, Duterte, Orbán, and their ilk aren’t revolutionaries. But they, too, use gender to discredit one political order and validate another.’ Gender essentialism is doing the same through political parties and lobby groups in the West. As Beinart has discerned, ‘no matter how high a woman ascends, she’s ultimately just a body whose value is determined by men’. Transgender ideologists do this in the fact that they claim woman is a costume, a set of sex-role stereotypes, an identity which can be determined and owned by men. Andrea Dworkin argued in 1981 that ‘the power of men is first a metaphysical assertion of self, an I am that exists a priori, a bedrock, absolute’ and that ‘the first tent of male-supremacist ideology is that men have this self and that women must, by definition, lack it’.

Transgender ideology denies that women have a self, an inner world. Dworkin claimed that defining and naming was a form of male power exerted over the female. She argued that ‘men have the power of naming… this power of naming enables men to define experience, to articulate boundaries and values, to designate to each thing its realm and qualities, to determine what can and cannot be expressed, to control perception itself’. With transgenderism, men are attempting to re-write reality, to discard the basic facts which women perceive. In Beyond God the Father Mary Daly asserted that ‘it is necessary to grasp the fundamental fact that women have had the power of naming stolen from us’ and that this denied women’s humanity. Daly argued that ‘the liberation of language is rooted in the liberation of ourselves’.

We need to place gender essentialism/transgenderism (the notion that women’s oppression is innate and natural) in a wider context — a long lasting global recession with deep political and economic uncertainty and pain. This is the climate for authoritarianism and totalitarianism to emerge. History teaches us that most totalitarian regimes begin by deceiving people that they are left wing or progressive. History shows us that totalitarianism utilises student groups to gain power. Contrary to popular belief about the targeting of migrants, totalitarian regimes begin with and are underscored by the control of women. As Valerie M. Hudson argues ‘it’s vital to remember that for most of human history, leaders & their male subjects forged a social contract: “Men agreed to be ruled by other men in return for all men ruling over women” (continues)

concludes:
Male sexual entitlement of left-wing men continued to drive out women who opposed the sexual objectification of themselves and their sisters. Indeed,

‘A subsequent generation of feminists in the 1990s was defeated, again by a Leftist wedge tactic, but this time the long history of feminist abolitionist campaigning against prostitution was the core demand turned upside down…Instead of sexual slavery, the Left reconceptualised prostitution as a form of work for women, and a consumer service activity for “clients.” Feminists who failed to parrot this newly conceived idea of “sex work” were chased out, and women got rewards for doing the chasing’.

We are seeing this pattern repeated with the notion that women’s oppression is natural and innate being championed by female politicians of the Left such as Angela Ryaner, Mhairi Black, Diane Abbot and more. These politicians are gaining from women’s suffering and have sold their sisters out for male approval and power.

Attacking women is certainly popular amongst men. We have seen how left wing men have used the term TERF and the notion that women labelled as such as deserve to be attacked to unleash a latent misogyny. The purpose of comparing the changes in the U.K. to those that occurred in the wake of the Arab Spring and establishment of a new dictatorship is to highlight that this attack on women is global and cross-cultural. It comes in many different guises. This is what feminists call patriarchy. It is important before we move forward to note that all those classic signs of an incoming dictatorship which have been observed from Brazil, to Egypt, to the U.S.A., are present in the U.K. This ideology is shoring up men’s power by attacking women’s rights. It is far from progressive."

medium.com/@doctorEm/the-rainbow-reich-transgender-ideology-and-totalitarianism-2b90541057bd

If you only read one thing today..... I recommend this

OP posts:
sakura184 · 08/07/2019 11:14

Good post.

That's why for me Transgenderism is not about male violence in bathrooms ( though that's a legit concern), it's not even wholly about the fact they're trying to destroy the definition of woman as a class so we can't politically organize, which is basically male rights activism. To me, It's mainly about the boundary violations that you talk about and the infuriating concept that men are the prototype for humanity and women are just add-ons that anyone can be/join, not even real people.
The irony is that this is such a reversal! Such a bloody patriarchal reversal, and anyone who knows biology can see it. Women are the original human prototypes, not men. Men are the incomplete, the ones who constantly have to compete to define themselves. Plus the fact the Y is totally degraded and becomes more degraded with each generation.

LangCleg · 08/07/2019 12:26

Wow. That's so powerful.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 08/07/2019 13:21

Thanks R0

Women are raped at the rate of 11- 13 per hour in England and Wales while rape prosecutions and subsequently rape convictions are at an all-time low

Bloody hell

Watchfulwaiter · 08/07/2019 13:30

sakura184
"Women are the original human prototypes, not men. Men are the incomplete, the ones who constantly have to compete to define themselves. Plus the fact the Y is totally degraded and becomes more degraded with each generation."

I personally find this offensive. I don't think we should criticize another group of human beings on account of their genetic material, it's too eugeneticist for me. Besides, the Y chromosome has many gene's not found in females, and that's partly why sports fairness is not solved by lowering testosterone (aside from historic physiological advantages of having had high testosterone earlier in life).

R0wantrees · 08/07/2019 14:26

Thanks R0

All thanks are due to ThatDoctorEM

Its such a brilliant article, important which shows where the dots are which need to be joined & written under considerable pressures. Flowers Star

recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3624063-Is-twitter-having-a-purge-today?pg=4

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KatnissEverbeen · 08/07/2019 16:57

Thanks R0, it is a rousing article. Still can't get over that she has brain damage, is sick at the moment and still wrote that. Bloody hell.

AlwaysComingHome · 08/07/2019 17:25

I personally find this offensive. I don't think we should criticize another group of human beings on account of their genetic material, it's too eugeneticist for me.

Me too. We’ve spent years arguing that women aren’t ‘inferior men’ in regards to sport, but actually belong to a different class, and then we get stuff like this ranking human beings by ‘degradation’.

Men and women aren’t inferior or inferior, they are biologically distinct classed, and the Y chromosome isn’t an inferior X. It’s smaller than the X but in each cell only one X chromosome is active anyway (even for those with XXX or XXXX); men have two active sex chromosomes in each cell. They don’t have something ‘missing’.

R0wantrees · 08/07/2019 18:17

I think there's some misunderstanding about sakura's point which I believe is a biological description rather than value judgement.

Its beyond my skill set though.

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AlwaysComingHome · 08/07/2019 18:28

It’s of a piece with the belief that flipping bigotry on its head is okay because it’s punching up.

sakura184 · 08/07/2019 20:29

Watchfulwaiter

Men do find biology offensive. That's what transactivism is all about. Biology is transphobic. It's also misandrist apparently. The Y chromosome is degraded, common biological fact

sakura184 · 08/07/2019 20:30

The Y is basically the X with bits missing

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/07/2019 20:56

I'm not going to be distracted by the stuff about the Y chromosome which I'm not competent to talk about.

I just want to add my voice to those saying what an extraordinary article that is. So powerful. So many dots joined. Thanks, DoctorEm.

AlwaysComingHome · 08/07/2019 21:01

The Y is basically the X with bits missing

It really fucking isn’t. What the hell is wrong with you?

AlwaysComingHome · 08/07/2019 21:08

I hadn’t even heard of you until last night but in the last 24 hours you’ve accused me of implying black lives don’t matter, you’ve said those advocating the extinction of humanity ‘have a point’, and you are denying basic biology.

If the Y chromosome is an X with bits missing where on the X would we find the SRY gene and why doesn’t everyone have two copies of that gene, male or female?

Melroses · 08/07/2019 21:29

Good article, worth printing off for those of us hard of thinking as it is easier to read on paper.

(not seeing anything to do with chromosomes in it though Hmm )

KatnissEverbeen · 08/07/2019 21:34

There is nothing to do with chromosomes in the article. It is a derail.

It just clicks into place in the article and Dr Em draws it all together and out of the shadows.

Watchfulwaiter · 08/07/2019 21:50

Since this thread has been derailed, alternative thread now available for important discussion of Y chromosome

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 08/07/2019 22:27

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WrathofStrawberryCoopKlop · 08/07/2019 22:31

Transgenderism is the new way for the Left to expel women from politics and their ranks

Women will disappear of their own volition.

Chilling.

LangCleg · 08/07/2019 22:39

This couldn’t happen in a well-established democracy such as in the United Kingdom, could it?

And the list following it. Yes, yes: it could happen here. Particularly in a future of AI and mechanisation, in which the job market will shrink. Where else for women but back to the home and invisibility?

This is an existential fight.

Nothing to do with left and right and we really have to forget all that shit. The dominant left establishment has abandoned all feminist endeavours and the right never gave a toss in the first place.

We have to be pro-woman. We must centre women and girls.

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2019 00:02

That is superb and hits so many notes that are completely relevant to wider politics which I've noticed.

The whole movement wouldn't be possible in an era where there wasn't a rise in authoritarianism.

The two are inextricably linked.

Yet so many women sucked into it are utterly blind to it.

It comes back to Winston and his fingers and how if you can be forced to say something you know to be untrue the government can do anything to you as you have no power whatsoever.

OccasionalKite · 09/07/2019 00:18

Thanks for posting the link, OP!

That article backs up its many assertions with serious references, each time.

That is what makes it so bloody frightening. Excellent article, looking at the bigger picture.

So glad to have Mumsnet FWR.

KatnissEverbeen · 09/07/2019 07:01

I can't wait for part II.

That the same pattern is being followed globally is frightening. So much for it is just about toilets.

Ereshkigal · 09/07/2019 08:48

It's a brilliant article.

Mumfun · 09/07/2019 09:28

Yes brilliant article that puts so much in proper context