More school suspensions after "homophobic" students speak out

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Unfortunately, these suspensions seem to be only reported on far-right or Christian sites. I couldn't find any report on a regular site.

Breitbart: www.breitbart.com/education/2019/07/02/uk-headmistress-suspends-two-10-year-olds-for-homophobia/

Lifesitenews: www.lifesitenews.com/news/10-year-old-girl-suspended-for-asking-to-be-exempted-from-lgbt-school-lesson?fbclid=IwAR3ZqYPaLWtZG-mt6UTYwGeTQ_YJjuucbWAfrRFwyQ-3pV1JPUdrE4nVLcQ

A 10-year-old who was suspended from school for a week after asking her teacher permission to be excused from participating in a “Pride Month” LGBT lesson has gone on the record to explain the real dangers of the invasion of LGBT ideology in her school.

“Before anybody knew what LGBT meant, everybody knew what gender they were,” explained Kaysey, who, along with her classmate, Farrell, was suspended from the Heavers Farmer Primary School, located in Croydon, South London.

“But now people are confused,” continued the precocious 10-year-old, “and they’re saying that they’re bisexual and trans because they’re confused.”

“Before this happened, they were completely confident of who they were but now they’re not,” she added.

“It’s really affecting other kids,” explained Kaysey, “because now they’re losing confidence in [them]selves and looking at [them]selves and asking, ‘Why am I this person? Why can’t I be someone else?’”

“Before all this happened, people knew who they were,” said Kaysey. “School children are now facing the choice of what gender they are by the age of four.”

This needs to go into the mainstream press. Come on, Times, Spectator. It's serious.

Sounds like they were perfectly polite in asking not to take part . As much as I disagree that they should have a problem with gay people they are entitled to that as a religious belief provided they dont act in nasty ways towards people .

Those teachers banging on about them killing kids are disgusting. They are the ones confusing the hell out of them. I think I believe the denial about the dumb comment. It's not in keeping with the rest if the statements printed which are quite articulate. The only ones who come across as deranged and desperate to justify their actions are the teachers.

LGB and T issues are very different and bundling them up together makes no sense to me.

Yes I agree on that. It's a way of making people have to agree and accept all.of it or be labelled a bigot when in reality u cant believe in gender identity and homosexuality together.

LGB and T issues are very different and bundling them up together makes no sense to me

it was due to very deliberate lobbying by trans activists. their stated intention was that no-one would ever say 'LGB' without 'T', there would never be any events for homosexuals that didn't include people who identify as trans

pretty effective, wasn't it?

I wonder what really happened.

Yes, I am calling out the 10 year olds on some of those comments. Seem far too sophisticated for their age. Especially the one about gay persecution in other countries.

And what year 5 class has time for colouring ?! And what the hell IS LGBT colouring?
Oh I'd love to get to the bottom of all of this.

I do know I trust right wing reporting as far as I could spit a rat. It is a curious story OP though, thanks for sharing.

But in Kaysey's statements, apart from a passing mention of "bisexual", she only refers to the confusion caused by gender theories. She is not talking about sexuality at all. It's the gender issue that is causing confusion.

I also think this is something for parents to take up. A mass rebellion by parents, and most of all, lots of sunlight, might do the trick. This is truly horrendous.

Katvon, Kaysey's words, as quoted in the original post, and in the video posted in the Breitbart article, sound exactly the sort of thing a ten-year-old might say.

But it does need to be investigated by a neutral journalist.

The Breitbart report states that the headteacher’s daughter is the “School Manager”. That probably tells you a lot about the sort of organisation it is.

This is Heavers Farm in Croydon (as opposed to Heavers Farmer, which sounds fun!) They had a similar issue last year and I first thought this was about that. It was reported in the Guardian. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2018/nov/20/christian-parent-legal-action-heavers-farm-school-pride-parade.

I think many gender-critical users of Mumsnet Feminism are more similar to transactivists than they realise. Freedom of speech and freedom of belief are supported only if they tally with what they believe.

And the HT has form, it is not the first time she has angered kids and parents with LGBT Pride stuff.

Previous mainstream (Guardian etc) pieces also quote young children with very precocious language - for many English may not be their primary language and they are all from high achieving / affluent families, so language will sound 'odd' to us as it will have little of the more relaxed colloquialisms of indigenous speech.

Freedom of speech and freedom of belief are supported only if they tally with what they believe.

Can you please give an example?

I think many gender-critical users of Mumsnet Feminism are more similar to transactivists than they realise. Freedom of speech and freedom of belief are supported only if they tally with what they believe. Huh? Given that all of the parents quoted in that piece are complaining becuase of their religious beliefs I suspect you didn't read it or discounted it in order to make a point!

That and I think you'll find that many MNers, regardless of religion etc, are, in this case, supporting science and facts over feelings and beliefs. in general.

What you are suggesting is that MNers here need to believe in the tooth fairy and unicorns as much as they believe in electricity and global warming.

I wonder what really happened.
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I do know I trust right wing reporting as far as I could spit a rat. It is a curious story OP though, thanks for sharing.

You're sensible to be cautious:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pride-parade-school-bars-pupils-10-fkr09lts3

Susan Papas, executive head teacher, claimed that one pupil, Kaysey Francis-Austin, had been overheard saying that gay people are “against God” and that “gay people have let the devil into them and that they need to be killed”.

Okay, so there’s this ‘No Outsiders’ programme being taught in some schools. Some parents are unhappy with its content and have been protesting against it, believing that it is inappropriate to formally introduce concepts such as homosexual relationships and gender identity to children this young.

If these parents had been solely protesting about the teaching of gender identity, they would be considered heroes here. Their wishes are dismissed because they also have issues with the teaching about homosexual relationships. If they had only been protesting about the latter, the consensus among some here would probably be that the school should completely ignore the parents, and proceed with the teaching, even if a large majority of the parents disagreed.

Because the belief that homosexual relationships shouldn’t be introduced to young children in such a formal way, in school, is verboten among the posters I mentioned, rather than disagreement but an acceptance that people can believe what they want, and act accordingly (ie.lobby schools to stop teaching), as long as they act within the law, the view instead is that the parents should be ignored (at least as far as the gay relationships bit is concerned).

I am lesbian and if I had any, I would remove my kids from these LGBT indoctrination classes.

@BernardBlacksWineIcelolly
It certainly didn't happen by accident did it?
It's convenient to be using the LGB to push a regressive and ultimately homophobic agenda isn't it?

Because the belief that homosexual relationships shouldn’t be introduced to young children in such a formal way, in school, is verboten among the posters I mentioned, rather than disagreement but an acceptance that people can believe what they want, and act accordingly (ie.lobby schools to stop teaching), as long as they act within the law, the view instead is that the parents should be ignored (at least as far as the gay relationships bit is concerned).*

I can’t work out if you are a TRA who doesn’t understand why the medicalisation of children is an issue to us, or a homophobe who doesn’t understand why we don’t object equally strongly to the message that same-sex relationships are totally okay.

OP I'm with you primary kids do not need to be taught about LGBT. Then neither should they be taught about relgion as far as I'm concerned.

Children should be taught anatomical names for body parts and which ones are private. They should be taught bullying is bad for any reason, teaching them its ok to bully some kids but to bully others is a crime is wrong to me - but IMO the law is wrong here.

@aspley no, not an accident

It's convenient to be using the LGB to push a regressive and ultimately homophobic agenda isn't it?

I don’t understand why intersex is included either. It’s not an orientation. It’s a broad category covering everything from chromosomal abnormalities to recessive conditions affecting hormones. You might as well include diabetes.

Papas wrote to the mother of the boy: “[He] said that gay people needed to ‘die or go to prison’ where they would ‘get shanked up’. As he said this he picked up a pair of scissors and stabbed them repeatedly into the air. He said black people are never gay because they know what their community will do to them.”
Holy crap. That kid sure is "growing up with acceptance," isn't he?

Ugh Breitbart news. It's an interesting story, but I have little faith that we're hearing the whole story here. and I'm not loving the phrase 'openly gay' which is used in that article. ffs

However, I would be very unhappy if my DCs infant school expected them to take part in a pride parade. In fact I'd be very unhappy if their junior or senior school expected them to either

quite aside from the age appropriate issue, children are not toys to be used to prop up the ideological beliefs of teachers, regardless of whether they are beliefs I agree with or not. it is very unreasonable for a school which is in a position of power and authority over children to try to force them to show support for a particular view point