The times - SNP concerned gender laws are ‘vote‑killer’

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Controversial reform of gender law in Scotland is unlikely to take effect for at least two years, The Sunday Times has learnt.

Several SNP figures, including a minister, are understood to be deeply worried that plans to make it easier for individuals to switch gender could damage the party’s performance at the Holyrood elections in May 2021.

Their preference is for a draft bill to be published towards the end of this year or early 2020, which would almost certainly delay the new law until after the next election. The disclosure will dismay equality campaigners who expect the draft bill to be drawn up swiftly when MSPs return to parliament after the summer.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-concerned-gender-laws-are-vote-killer-f2x5smwds?shareToken=659c9ebdd3a2550ce76b84583a980f09

Im surprised it's taken them so long to work this out.

Probably because they have been funding the groups that peddle this nonsense so have been stuck in a feedback loop of delusion.

I wonder how long it will take Labour to catch on - if they ever do that is.

Must have come as something of a shock for some SNP politicians when they stepped outside their twitter bubble and found that the majority of the population were utterly horrified at these proposals. So horrified that they would vote accordingly.

And the SNP administration funding charities to then lobby the very same SNP government is good old fashioned corruption.

How duplicitous of them if they thinking of getting harmful and extremely unpopular laws through after the elections have taken place.

A wake up call to all the political parties. This will not end well.

I'm hoping U.K. political parties are watching with interest.

The Conservatives, for instance, need everything they can get to stay in power. I doubt many of their natural supporters are passionately keen on self ID.

If they could mop up Labour's lost women (me included), I'm sure they'd be glad to have us.

(Can't believe that's a vote I'm seriously contemplating, but we are where we are).

How duplicitous of them if they thinking of getting harmful and extremely unpopular laws through after the elections have taken place

Indeed- but not surprising. As a committed Unionist I was rather hoping they would press on and lose votes.

The disclosure will dismay equality campaigners... not those who campaign for equal women’s rights.

Probably because they have been funding the groups that peddle this nonsense so have been stuck in a feedback loop of delusion.

So much this.

As they reap, they shall sow.

And so it came to pass that the government headed up by Nicola Sturgeon - self-professed feminist - paid third sector organisations to dismantle women's hard-won rights.

Feminist, my arse.

Uk politicians are all shit

Self serving, arrogant, and lots of them seem to be pretty thick

Brexit has shown this up its horrifying. They're all incopetent populists.

This thing. If they believe it is right they should proceed. If they believe it will protect people they should proceed. This is why they say that are doing it. So they're happy to, from their perspective, throw people under the bus to get votes.

Of course they are utterly wrong. That's kind of not the point. They lack integrity.

So government funded groups to do this

My Scottish government funded them.
Just how just how

Do women and girls matter so little to political parties

Are we just nobodies to them. To be tossed aside
And they paid ppl to do this
Wankas

scottish-women.com/2019/06/09/school-resource-for-young-lesbians-who-have-a-penis/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

feelingverylazytoday said...
"I wonder how long it will take Labour to catch on - if they ever do that is."

You don't get it do you?
They never will change as they are riven with this. As are every political party, practically all legacy media , all unions and the whole of academia.
If you think today is bad wait until the next generation of movers and shakers have been through the mass opinion factories that our modern Universities.

You can but hope!

littlbrowndog

Wow at that leaflet that's totally fucking shocking. State sanctioned homophobia. Or at least lesbophobia, I'd read about this leaflet but not seen it, understand the one that covers men who have sex with men is strangely lacking in references to cunt.

So where does this leave all the organisations who jumped the gun?

Will they have to retract their policies?

Sue ‘em!

I dont think this is a snp only issue. Its rampant across the political board. Penny Mordaunt anyone? Im just glad the SNP are bloody cottoning on, and hope they can somewhat reverse their position before any more damage is done. If they had went ahead with the gra reform they would have lost my vote for sure, they had already lost my membership over it.

That leaflet is utterly bizarre. I'd like to see the one for lesbians and the one for gay men in a side by side comparison.

I blame Stonewall under Ruth Hunt's leadership. They have been the catalyst which gave the whole trans campaign high-level access to funding and legitimacy. Politicians were just willing numpties, too lazy to question, too willing to hoover up easy woke points.

If they had went ahead with the gra reform they would have lost my vote for sure, they had already lost my membership over it

Delaying it is all very well . What needs to happen is someone does something to fix the damage already caused by the suggestion of even looking at it.

All that's going to happen now is that the lobby groups will increase their lobbying. All with government funding that any womens organisations cant possibly compete with

I think this might have stopped them in their tracks. They are finding that women are not rolling over, the way they expected and decent men are speaking out more. If women can do this, then the SNP know they’ve fucked up.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3625439-The-Times-Feminists-celebrate-U-turn-on-self-identification-in-Scotland-as-women-s-prisons-review-trans-policy?pg=1&order=

I think Westminster was watching to see how it played out in Scotland. If it doesn't come to pass there for 2 years (possibly never) they will either have to have the same kind of meltdown and internal rebellion and alienate many voters when both the ruling party and opposition desperately need votes, or risk the wrath of the powerful trans lobby.

Interesting times.

And I agree with a comment on another thread, we need to keep challenging where government funding is going and whose interests it is serving, and whose not.

Wow, just looked at the leaflet article. Appalling.