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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Surge in girls switching gender: Gilligan in The Times

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Lumene · 29/06/2019 20:33

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/surge-in-girls-switching-gender-c69nl57vt

Glad the papers are reporting on this.

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yulet · 30/06/2019 09:03

Would 1 in 100 be about the number of autistic girls we'd expect?

OvaHere · 30/06/2019 09:10

Autism is much more common than many people think. There are around 700,000 people on the autism spectrum in the UK – that's more than 1 in 1001. If you include their families, autism is a part of daily life for 2.8 million people.

www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/myths-facts-stats.aspx

These are the proposed figures but not broken down by sex - autism in girls is under reported anyway I believe.

I don't think the gender identity figures are just about girls on the spectrum, I would guess it accounts for a significant proportion but the Tavistock whistleblowers made it clear there are a number of complex reasons.

OvaHere · 30/06/2019 09:11

Sorry - the cut and paste went wrong on that. It should read 1 in 100.

sueseyphone · 30/06/2019 09:11

chickenish that's so messed up. I bet I can guess what regressive bullshit will tell toddlers that they are born in the wrong body.
That's the craziest thing for me about this stuff. It's the most regressive sexiest bullshit I've ever heard.
"I knew I was a girl because I like pink and unicorns"
Fuck. Right. Off.

Thingybob · 30/06/2019 09:13

Would 1 in 100 be about the number of autistic girls we'd expect?

The percentage of girls diagnosed with autism is less than 0.5% and of those many will have serious cognitive impairments (IQ under 70) so are unlikely to be trans'ed. There is however concerns that girls are under diagnosed.

Thingybob · 30/06/2019 09:21

I saw this last night on Twitter. You don't need much common sense to see how harmful this crap is.

twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1145048217173856257

Chickenish · 30/06/2019 09:48

Sometimes it feels like I only go into Foyles to get pissed off. The books are so very front and centre.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/06/2019 10:24

lilymaynard.com/kool-aid-for-kiddies/

Just look at the book Jack not Jackie Lily mentions here. Appalling.

BessyK · 30/06/2019 10:30
Benjamin A Boyce discussing Pride month for Teens/tweens, free binders and Drag queen story time.
SisterWendyBuckett · 30/06/2019 10:38

Thank you for shedding more light on the facts, Andrew Gilligan.

Dave Bell, ex Tavistock, is an amazing and brave person to stand up and speak publicly about this. Doing so can only be of great professional and personal cost to him.

Get your act together Penny Mordaunt - NOW. This is an absolute scandal and cannot be allowed to continue.

TerfOnTheWagon · 30/06/2019 10:38

I've just emailed my MP about this. She's Heidi Allen so I hope she will think she has nothing to lose by pushing the need for a serious investigation! Also there was a suicide in our constituency last year (18yr old girl with Aspergers who wanted to trans at 14, bought hormones online from Webberly which made her pretty unwell, and got nothing from mental health professionals) so maybe that might sway her.

My friend's daughter has Aspergers and her counsellor said that he sees way more Aspie girls becoming trans than anorexic or cutting, and is worried about it but what can they do against the rising tide of woke ideology (and risk being pushed out of their jobs of course)?

SisterWendyBuckett · 30/06/2019 10:41

what can they do against the rising tide of woke ideology (and risk being pushed out of their jobs of course)?

They need to find like minded others and join together to speak out - rationally, respectfully and with facts.

There's safety in numbers and more people who think this way than they might realise.

eurochick · 30/06/2019 12:02

what can they do against the rising tide of woke ideology (and risk being pushed out of their jobs of course)?

This is a really good question. A friend of mine is a paeds consultant. She says she has no choice to refer on allegedly trans children. Even though she thinks it's nonsense, as do most of her colleagues.

R0wantrees · 30/06/2019 12:13

The youngest patients were three? Fucking three? That's made me feel quite sick. Actually nauseous. It's grotesque to think of a child that age having any sort of gender awareness, FFS

see important explanation about how young children develop awareness of sex from expert in child psychology (from Lancaster Resisters recent meeting about Safeguarding)

'Young children, reality, sex and gender'
Katie Alcock (Lancaster University lecturer)
(extract)
"I’m a researcher in developmental psychology, and I’m interested in how young children learn symbols and how they think about the world. Most of my research is on children learning vocabulary but as a feminist (and mum of a boy and a girl) I’m also very interested in how children learn about sex and about stereotypes.

it takes children some time to work out both whether they themselves are a girl or a boy, and that both they and others cannot change sex. Working out which they are themselves happens earlier, and is based in all the studies that have been done on physical appearance and stereotypes. Have a look at what James, aged 3, has to say on the matter:

James is firm that having short hair makes him a boy, and that it also makes other people (and dolls) into boys. My own child aged four was convinced a teenager we knew must be a boy because she had short hair. (continues)

Now these days we are all anti-stereotyping and we are convinced we have not raised our children to know what sex stereotypes are. If the only influences on children were things people said directly to them, and especially things we as parents said directly to them, this might work out. But children don’t grow up in a vacuum — they see the other children at nursery, they see toys that other children play with, obviously they hear what other adults than their parents say but most of what children take in is not from people talking to them, but from what they see.

Making generalisations is a very useful skill for a baby or child — if they couldn’t make generalisations, they would never be able to work out that a new cat they saw was in fact a cat, or a new apple was just as good to eat as the last one, or a new car is likely also to go places. Children can work out at a very young age that there are men and women, boys and girls, in the world — it’s probably quite useful for them to work this out in the general scheme of things². So when they see all the girls at nursery wearing pink and having long hair, well, that’s what girls do! And they also realise, from what people are saying, and from how their parents dress them, what toys they are given, and what toys other children who look like them (same clothes, same hair) what they are supposed to like and do based on what sex they are." (continues)
medium.com/@katieja/young-children-reality-sex-and-gender-3421f4f165f1

thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3551115-Gender-Identity-Safeguarding-Children-and-Young-People-For-Women-Lancashire

ChattyLion · 30/06/2019 12:19

Yeah but equally if grown ups don’t foist that gender shit onto children then none of those false deductions will happen. Horrible that the commercialisation and pinkifying and blueifying of stuff for children is lending weight to this utter bullshit which is fucking regressive and dangerous.

GrumpyCatLives · 30/06/2019 12:23

This needs to be on the main boards. All parents need to be aware of this. Sad

StarGOLD · 30/06/2019 16:01

This is so disturbing. I know of a young girl 12/13 who has emotional struggles, very little home support, likes to court drama, friendship issues. She has now had her hair shaved off and is telling people she is going to be transgender. It’s imperative we listen to children and help them to be confident young adults but pandering to their ‘feelings’ without serious question is only going to result in more of this nonsense. We have to give these girls the confidence to be women...and the sort of women they want to be.

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