Bizarre Snopes article about JK Rowling

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www.snopes.com/fact-check/jk-rowling-transphobia-transgender/

Snopes have written an article which, to be fair, does say that the claim on a Medium post that JK Rowling has 'confirmed her antipathy towards trans women' is false. But then it goes on to say that, on the other hand,

"Rowling has never articulated solidarity for trans people or support for trans rights or trans inclusion. A search of Rowling’s Twitter feed showed that she had never once used any of the following terms: “trans,” “transgender,” “LGBT,” “LGBTQ,” “transphobia,” “transphobe,” “transphobic,” “TERF,” “inclusion,” or “exclusion.” Though they are not necessarily indicative of her views, and certainly not definitive proof, these absences are certainly worth noting."

So Ms Rowling. We've noticed that you've never done any witch-hunting. Which is suspicious. Highly suspicious.

Magdalen Berns videos are quite good. Thank you for letting me know about her.

Is there going to be an accepted Woke reading list now? Only non terfy books allowed. So nothing intellectual by women pre 2014 because up to that point GC was the accepted feminist perspective and obviously no white straight or gay male writers who do not center trans rights. No current authors who don't extensively tweet about transrights even if it's nothing to do with them. No Lesbian writers if the lesbians are all female born. A nice short list.

The other thing that constantly strikes me is the degree to which I recognise ideas and slogans that have been borrowed right from other kinds of political advocacy.

One of the defining elements of postmodernism is collage. Trans ideology is made up of fragments of earlier movements: feminism, anti-racism, disability advocacy. It’s like a Tarantino movie.

Well that's Snopes intent on throwing its impartiality away with both hands.

A partial Snopes is - what- a random website? Fools.

Snopes was never impartial, it always had a clear political lean; it's just some people are arrogant enough to think they're the font of truth and impartial reality, and that anyone who disagrees with their worldview must be a liar.

Transexelianos

@Goosefoot I think what’s in the process of being lost is the concept of the individual. We simultaneously allow ourselves to let our identity disappear into the groups we happen to find ourselves in. Either the groups we choose or that are foisted upon us. We also compound that by forming value judgements about whole other groups.

When I said I tiptoe upthread the issue is in relation to that. If there is an aspect of feminist theory or racial politics or whatever it happens to be and I find myself either in disagreement with or critical in anyway or even simply that I have questions then people who have their very identity tied to that group that whole discussion can leave people feeling drained, attacked or invalidated, and I’m not in the business of making people feel crap.

I also recognise that just looking at life in terms of the individual can erase commonalities some groups experience that can leave people disadvantaged if left unexamined. I just feel somehow we have got the balance wrong. We have to treat people as individuals first then maybe look at the class based stuff from that platform.

Dervel

That's interesting, it's not quite how I've thought about it, but I think you are right that the balance is all off, and maybe sometimes that can pull in two directions at once. I'd have said that the problem was really about an excess of individualism.

I totally understand what you mean about not wanting to talk about certain things because people consider them attacks on their person. I think it is important to talk about such things anyway but it is sometimes difficult to know how.

I'd have said that the problem was really about an excess of individualism.

Yes, I would have thought that too, but thinking about it Dervel also has a point. Strangely enough I think it's two sides of the same coin. Identity politics often treats people as representatives of a demographic rather than individuals, but also it denies the common humanity that we share which allows us to empathise with each other despite different experiences.

Ralph Leonard wrote a good article about it, how seeing yourself as defined by your race, for example, cuts you off from your cultural heritage as a human being.

unherd.com/2018/10/clr-james-rejected-posturing-identity-politics/

We just need to stop lying to those we love. Transwomen are not women and transmen are not men, they never will be. Those people with vested interests or trying to be kind who are selling them the lie that they are/can be and insisting everyone else do the same are the ones who are harming them not people pointing out basic fucking reality. We all have people we care about but in no other arena do we feel the need to be tip-toeing around the fantasists, ideologists, opportunists and people with actual mental illnesses in our lives and thus encourage them in harmful behaviours and beliefs so their feelings don’t get hurt

My parents had a choice to either go along with the lie 'to be nice' to my brother or to speak the truth and 'be cruel' to my brother.

How can speaking the truth be cruel though when you hurt the interests and well being of your other child in the process though? 'Being nice' isn't being nice if it hurts someone else to lie. The lie is a toxin to society, that will have fall out.

I've never understood making that choice to lie about basic reality to this degree. I don't think I ever will. I now regard it as a simple choice of choosing your male child over your female child as a matter of sexism because a female's interests are worth less than a male's.

This is all the whole TRA movement is about. Male dominance

It's a way not to deal with female mental health issues as teens. It's a way to ignore female patterns of behaviour from being a victim of sexual abuse. Its a way to ignore victims of abuse and violence by labelling them bigots for merely giving a natural trauma based reaction. It's a way to sexualise women. It's a way to force them into gender roles. Its a way to exercise coercive control and emotional abuse over wives. It's away to remove informed consent from women in a health care setting. It's a way to marginalise ethnic and religious minority women. Its a way to abuse and taken advantage of lesbians. It's a way to remove women's privacy and dignity. It's a way to disadvantage women in the work place and in elected positions. It's a way to ignore issues relating to child birth. It's a way not to recognise poor diagnosis in health conditions where women present differently.

In no way is it 'being nice'. It is shitting all over women.

Nothing about it is 'nice' for women.

A search of Rowling’s Twitter feed showed that she had never once used any of the following terms: “trans,” “transgender,” “LGBT,” “LGBTQ,” “transphobia,” “transphobe,” “transphobic,” “TERF,” “inclusion,” or “exclusion.”

PMSL!!!!

addendum for Snopes:

"preening narcissists", "cry bullies", "cotton ceiling", "bepenised Divas", "goady fuckers", "Real Lady Lawyers", "Kiwi Farms", "glitter tits", "limerick lovers", "die in a grease fire", "cis-privilege", "Tamponella", "Pronouns are Rohypnol"

Difference between transgenderism and movements to support other minority groups is they were based on addressing unfair discrimination. Transgenderism is trying to force you to believe that people can change sex. I can't see how it feels the same to treat people equally as to be complicit in the falsehood that humans can change sex. Unless (and this is not aimed at anyone on this thread) as a straight white Male you have had the message from society that you are superior to other groups so having to treat people equally feels a little reality-bending. The old adage about if you have always experienced privilege then equally feels like oppression.
I understand that there are noisy SJW with other minority groups and Twitter pile ons sound scary but there is nothing to match the TRAs as their rules are too easy to break. Just by observing that people can't change sex can threaten your livelihood. Look how women are being silenced for not wanting males in their spaces or for not wanting children told dangerous falsehoods about the 'wrong' toy choice meaning a future with untested drugs and harmful surgery which they may one day regret.
No other minority group has the money, power, regulatory capture of the TRAs. No other minority group has the prime minister or leader of the opposition spouting full blooded nonsense about TWAW.
This to me feels like a full scale assault on minority groups and a perfect way of putting them 'back in their boxes' when the public finally get sick of all the reality-bending TRA nonsense and say 'a plague on all your houses'.