LGBTQIA+?

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I've just read a bbc news article about a group set up in Suffolk. I'm confused by the inclusion of intersex with LGBTQ+ as I've not seen this before. I have read on here that in general intersex people don't wish to be dragged into the trans issues so I am surprised to see the "I" in there.
To be honest I've not been following things much lately as got so stressed with it all so I may have missed this new to me inclusion.
LGB is about sexual orientation/preference to me so including everything else that isn't about sexual preference other than heterosexual seems to lessen that somehow. I worry that by including so many other things in with the LGB that people will get sick of it and homophobia will increase as it feels like it's being pushed a great deal.
I've probably not explained that very well at all.

I have read on here that in general intersex people don't wish to be dragged into the trans issues so I am surprised to see the "I" in there.

Most don't. Certainly the main UK intersex organisation say they want to be left alone. Stonewall et al don't feel this is an issue. They are going to colonise support intersex rights no matter what.

You also missed the K out of your word salad. Fighting BDSM erasure is a major theme of LGBTQQIAKTTC+ organisations in recent years.

Agree OP. Intersex, or disorders of sexual development as it seems to be more commonly called now, can be a simple deviation from the average in terms of appearance, or a chromosome difference from the typical XX and XY.
What on earth does this have to do with sexuality ? I suspect that it has been added to make the T sound like a mere physical difference from the average woman.

And the K can just fuck off.

I also read this article and wondered how people possibly remembered all of that.

The rest of the letter soup wasn't included.

K? There's a K now? WTF?

K stands for kink

I think

What does the K stand for? Presume the T is trans, but struggling with the other T and C too?
I used to be so on top of this, but it seems to have extended quite a lot!

Just stop at B...

They added the T. That's when it all stopped being about sexual orientation.

Unfortunately there was a trend for children with an intersex condition to undergo sex "reassignment" surgery which was unethical to say the least, promoted by American doctors.
Intersex people are sometimes "assigned a sex at birth" which doesn't match later on in life particularly after puberty starts, then their identity as male or female can change in those very rare circumstances, which could be said happened for the famous 400m women's runner.

There's a comparison to intersex and transgender on one level but only a superficial one, because intersex is a genetic reality, not an identity or lifestyle choice.

I think they've tried to add a "P" quite a few times but it causes too much outrage.
They say the P is for "Polyamorous" or something but obviously it could be for "anything"...

Wtf? This is just getting ridiculous.

I think they've tried to add a "P" quite a few times but it causes too much outrage.

That's the C. Cross-generational seems to be the term of choice. Dammit I forgot the P for polyamorous and I need another T.

There are just soooo many but it's worth the effort to be inclusive and we must never stop trying to ostracise anyone who disagrees.

What is the difference between bisexual and pan sexual?

Cupboard space

Cupboard space

Cupboard space OMG [snortling]

Where's the D for deviant? Because I'm sure the deviants will want a special letter just for them soon. If I was LGB I'd be furious at this hijacking of our groups and what we are trying to achieve and the erasure of what has been achieved.

Chicken
Here's a thread,from Rachel Mckinnon, that talks about the differences between bi and pan.
"Bisexual=my gender and others, Pan = regardless of genders"
Well that's what the mean now,(well I haven't checked today it may have changed) bisexual used to mean attracted to members of both of the sexes. Now that sex has been changed to gender, Rachel thinks pan and bi are pretty much the same. Because according to Rachel, bi is exclusionary towards non binary people.

mobile.twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1110549641416839168?lang=en

...so C doesn't stand for Celibate.

The celibate can fuck off.

(which by definition, they will not.)

I is standard in Australia and has been for years.

i’m pretty sure i remember it being just LGB when i was a lot younger. also remember gillette razors going from 2 up to 3 blades and joking with my brother that one day it would be 6!

I don’t understand the logic of including people with a life-threatening condition like salt-wasting adrenal hyperplasia with people who just basically want to bang each other.

Where is the intersection between their needs?

Also, reading up on these conditions I noticed that many, such as CAH or Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, affect both man and women, yet are only classified as DSDs in one sex. Men can have CAH but it isn’t a DSD in them; women can have AIS but it isn’t a DSD in them. Far from challenging sexual dimorphism, their presentation depends upon the sex of the person who has it.