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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Edinburgh Pride [sad]

51 replies

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/06/2019 08:37

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1142508165243817985.html

But what did chill me, and did stir some actual fear for hos I and the others might fare on Pride was the speeches given by MSPs 11/
from the top of the open top bus. In particular the words of Patrick Harvey, Green MSP, where he felt the need to apologise for the democratic workings of Parliament, and the decision taken this week to put the breaks on GRA reform u rill the full due consideration and 12/
further deliberation by a broad range of groups affected by these reforms and importantly the conflation of sex and gender that has infested our policy making.He said "I am sorry that this parliament very recently was used as a platform for transphobic hatred and bigotry"

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I was dismayed to find out later that my sisters who joined the March were 18/
harassed by marchers behind them, had bells rung and whistles painfully blown in their ears and even had a missile thrown at them in the shape of a juice bottle, that fortunately missed them but unfortunately hit a tourist photographing the parade. They left the march 19/
of their own volition. Unwilling to make their selves a target for hate any longer, and fearing that the bells and whistles might turn into blows or worse.
It was obvious this would happen. The marchers had been well and truly whipped up into a righteous anger by our MSPs and 20/
others who spoke from that open-top bus at the pre march rally. The rally where Lesbians were intentionaly blocked in and made invisible. Where women were told they were bigots for standing up for Female Rights and expecting our politicians to do the same.

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DrSusan · 23/06/2019 10:50

It's a shocking thread. Here's more testimony from lesbians at Edinburgh Pride. Also shocking but how amazing are these women?

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1142532972203204610

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/06/2019 11:00

It's pretty horrifying that lesbians have to be "amazing" and "brave" to attend pride Sad

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DrSusan · 23/06/2019 11:02

Isn't it?

SunsetBeetch · 23/06/2019 11:03

That's disgusting. I despair at the actions of some of our politicians.

dancingcamper · 23/06/2019 11:26

It's ridiculous that you have to be the right type of lesbian to attend pride.

Aspley · 23/06/2019 12:34

God that is awful.
What has happened to make such behavior in anyway acceptable?

TalkingintheDark · 23/06/2019 12:38

Sad indeed. Heartbreaking to think that just as lesbians could possibly feel safe enough to travel to Pride without worrying about homophobic attacks from the general public (debatable, I know), they now have to worry about homophobic attacks while actually on the march from the “LGBT community” itself.

Actually, enraging as well as heartbreaking.

TalkingintheDark · 23/06/2019 12:40

What has happened to make such behavior in anyway acceptable?

Millennia of male privilege, at a guess?

bettybeans · 23/06/2019 12:47

twitter.com/tjvrd/status/1142740433090555904?s=21

DrSusan · 23/06/2019 12:50

Here's footage of Patrick Harvie, making his accusations of bigotry and transphobia against his MSP colleagues and whipping up the crowd. Thanks to @TJVRD on twitter

vimeo.com/343913844

weebarra · 23/06/2019 12:51

It's so sad. The organisation I work for attended Pride yesterday. I chose not to go because I knew I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut and I'm not brave enough to have the debate. (I'd also be worried about losing my job).
They were very brave.

Michelleoftheresistance · 23/06/2019 13:02

Is it time to call PC Gull and report an (actual) incitement to hate and discrimination?

I look forward to hearing about this idiot being suspended for gross misconduct, and the wide publicity that yes, those pro self ID include women-hating misogynists whose main interest in 'trans rights' is getting to openly oppress women.

TheInebriati · 23/06/2019 13:20

Lesbians have 2 protected characteristics, sex and sexual orientation. What happened at Pride was a hate incident against lesbians.

Aspley · 23/06/2019 13:41

TheInebriati
Certainly looks like it, Lancaster Pride looked similar too.
Why do people like Stonewall not act?
Image for a moment the fuss if the equivalent behavior was targeted at trans people?
It would be equally wrong but there would be arrests and prosecutions and endless wailing and playing of the victims card by people like owen Jones.
These people really hate lesbians who say no.

morningtoncrescent62 · 23/06/2019 14:18

There's a video at the bottom of this page showing the women singing while they're being shouted at - hardly an act of terrifying transphobic bigotry. I do hope that once the deliberately-orchestrated frenzy has died down, at least a few people in that crowd will have gone home, reflected on the fact that they were shouting and mocking a group of peaceful lesbians, and been a tiny bit ashamed - and may think again.

Mrscaindingle · 23/06/2019 22:08

I don't think anyone at Pride will be thinking of the women carrying the banners as anything other than disgusting transphobes.
The hate directed towards GC women on twitter has made me quite depressed tonight. That and a conversation I had with a very woke, male academic last night has made me feel tired and a bit hopeless. Sad

GrumpyCatLives · 23/06/2019 22:23

Sorry, but what happened to the AIBU thread on the puppy fetish people?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/06/2019 22:56

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Message from MNHQ: While we think this is an important discussion, and not one we want to shut down, the number of photos on this thread of people who don't know they're being pictured means we really had to remove it. Do feel free to start another discussion to talk about the issues raised here but we'd ask you not to post pictures of real people who might be identifiable. Thanks

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LemonGingerCakes · 23/06/2019 23:01

I’m appalled by the deletion tbh. The photos could have been deleted (or the messages with the photos in). The thread should have stood IMO. It is child grooming out in the open. How can we safeguard our children?

LemonGingerCakes · 24/06/2019 00:53

I don’t know whether to be saddened or sickened. One clearly does say 18+, but it’s all stuff that’ll appeal to you innocent children Sad

mobile.twitter.com/PuppScruff/status/1118502128773935108

Plus here it’s clearly outdoors.

mobile.twitter.com/PawsEvent

Ok, I don’t get kinks, but assumed wrongly that it was 'behind closed doors'.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 24/06/2019 07:19

dealing with this sort of shit is literally what Stonewall was created for

come on Stonewall time to step up.......oh....there's no money in supporting Lesbians you say?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/06/2019 07:21

It’s just become a drag show. No pride there.

IAmAlwaysLikeThis · 24/06/2019 07:24

I'm so saddened to read this.

Pride has become a space for fetishistic men and women who are ok with that (as well as zesty straights.)

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/06/2019 07:35

Maybe it’s just the softies who haven’t actually experienced any real injustices or discrimination and think that someone saying ‘hmmm wearing gimp suit to work and pleasuring oneself in the office loo and videoing it for the public? Please don’t do that it’s really not on!’ Is a hateful bigot who is driving swathes of a minority group to, you know, like, literal suicide.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/06/2019 07:42

Vogue and teen vogue are rather proPride these days huh. Were they even pro-women though? Did they even have any lesbians?