Porn has fuelled a 400% increase of child on child assaults

[NeurotrashWarrior]

A very depressing read.

It's clear to me that access to online things via the Internet, mobile phones and social media is a huge problem for our teens in many ways.

fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-fuels-child-on-child-sex-attacks/

Interesting that it's the NSPCC that provide the data on this. And valine data it is.

@NeurotrashWarrior - huge thanks for this post. I am SO freaked out about the easy access of violent and misogynistic online porn - available to any kid with a smartphone. As Gail Dines of Culture Reframed says, it is the "public health issue of our time" - yet most parents are oblivious. Could you give the name and website of the decent IT consultant who does good safeguarding talks for schools? I had one at my kid's primary school and the guy was AWFUL, like a paid up promotor of the gaming / social media industry. Saying we were all fuddy-duddies for not getting with it and allowing all our kids online all the time, and brushing aside my concerns about online porn.

Ta, I've read Miranda's blog. I've been concerned that the puberty blockers conversation hasn't paid enough attention to brain development, it makes huge leaps in development during puberty.

Sun I shall have a look later and pm you. It may be out of your area. I think they set up a company after being a part of the LEA for a long time.

Random paper on impact of exercise on teen brain, not the one I'm thinking of but interesting.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973814/

Yet, just yesterday the govt delayed age-verification for online porn for the third time after lobbying by the porn industry. They are prioritising adult male's shame, embarrassment and desire to hide their habits above safeguarding and safety of children.
news.sky.com/story/government-under-pressure-to-delay-launch-of-porn-restriction-scheme-for-third-time-11745105

Well as usual if it is adult male enjoyment versus child protection, its a slam dunk for the men.

If anyone wants to read up on the two boys found guilty of Ana Kriegel's murder (one guilty of aggravated sexual assault), there is an excellent article by Cormac Gallagher in the Irish Times.

I feel for Ana's parents most of all, but also feel for the parents and siblings of the boys In question. Imagine knowing your child or brother had done that, and knowing that everyone in the local area knows it too. So many lives destroyed by a selfish desire to act out a violent porn-fuelled fantasy

Porn Hub tailors searches via it’s algorithms and recommends different things at the top of the list depending on prior viewing history. There are also various age verification checks on the site. So clearly the woman who did the research has a pretty shady search history already. I only ever get straight ‘romantic’ porn recommended with kissing etc.

That is, simply put, not true. Not on Porn hub. It's a business that is more profitable than all of Hollywood and Independent Films and the Franchises put together. It's not regulated either. YouTube, Facebook and Instagram will try to regulate but they only remove the content and once seen it is never unseen.

Woman breastfeeding on Facebook has an instant ban.

Violent kink images? Fair game.

also feel for the parents and siblings of the boys In question.

I don't. The father of Boy B, who lured Ana to her death, witnessed it, and then told lie after lie, sarcastically clapped post the verdict and cried out that his son was innocent.

True, the father of Boy A appears to be a knob.

Boy B, I mean

So clearly the woman who did the research has a pretty shady search history already nice try at discrediting the author. Shame it's obvious horseshit

To be clear here, no way would a bag containing the clothing that Boy A had in a bag have gotten under my radar. Not a chance, not at 13. I made it very clear to my teenagers that I did room inspections and if it was a mess I would personally clear it up.

'. I only ever get straight ‘romantic’ porn recommended with kissing'

Hahaha haha

Front page of any mainstream porn site is 82trillion miles from this! I mean that's hilarious. Romantic het porn with kissing (!) is probably a serious niche kink tbh.

Intetesting that male gay porn is so different in feeling, its because its more between equals as a starting point, whereas het porn is about male dominance, as a starting point. Her porn is much more violent in feel, not really related to pleasure or any kind of mutuality, which is much more the starting point in gay porn.

I don't have a problem with the child on child headline. I think it was pretty clear in the article that the aggressors were boys, and the point of the headline was to make it clear that these offensives didn't involve adults, it was about the effects of porn on children. And honestly, young girls having inappropriate responses to seeing so much porn happens even if it is much less frequent or aggressive. It's not unheard of at all for girls exposed to inappropriate content or sexual situations to victimise younger or vulnerable kids.

I am not so sure that the parents are so much a factor in terms of teaching kids in a way that would prevent this. I think a lot of the stuff in porn is just so alien to children, in a way much more so that straight violence, and it's so visceral as well. How people conceptualise what consent really means depends a lot on what they think sex looks like, people who have experienced a lot of sex in a questionable context sometimes agree with the idea of consent, but fail when it comes down to actual situations because the way they read the situation is completely bizarre but seems normal to them. It's part of the reason normalising dangerous practices is so dangerous.

Kids just don't have the experience or ability to think through what they see rationally enough to mitigate the potential effect of seeing a lot of rough fake sex onscreen.

I think in the next few years there will be more and more evidence that young people should be avoiding online exposure of any kind, and that will be the way forward with regard to porn as well.

Ta, I've read Miranda's blog. I've been concerned that the puberty blockers conversation hasn't paid enough attention to brain development, it makes huge leaps in development during puberty.

I've never heard anyone talk about this outside of MN. It was my first thought when I heard about the whole idea of the blockers. I find it a bizarre gap, do people not realise the changes in the brain that teens go through?

I think people must treat it as a brain body dualism thing.

Let's have your stats for the epidemic of female led sexual violence is schools then goosefoot, tia

Time to ban it like we ban guns and other dangerous weapons. Our kids do not 'need' 24/7 instant internet access.

Let's have your stats for the epidemic of female led sexual violence is schools then goosefoot, tia

Seems like something of a non-sequiter. What's your point?

I know of publicised cases of instances where girls abused younger girls, and I know from social workers such things happen sometimes with children who have been abused. Porn and inappropriate exposure of girl children to sexual content can affect them and its a concern to protect them from that. I don't need stats to prove that somehow.

You might try discussing things like an adult instead of trying to score points.

To clarify, above, I know from social workers that young girls who have been abused sometimes try and reenact that abuse on other children.

Yes it happens

However sexual violence is overwhelmingly committed by males whatever the age is.

OP early on agreed with another poster that the piece in question obscures that this is mainly boys doing the abusing, by saying child on child.

You say you have no problem with this as girls do it too.

So, let's see the stats.

Nothing to do with point scoring.

I'm also interested as at first you said girls watching porn led them to abuse other children, now it's girls who have been sexually abused. Why the change.

I'd think if anything, seeing mainstream het porn would set girls nicely up for abuse. That's probably another conversation though.

I've never heard anyone talk about this outside of MN. It was my first thought when I heard about the whole idea of the blockers. I find it a bizarre gap, do people not realise the changes in the brain that teens go through?

I've only had it explained to me via professional in house training;

Safeguarding training - impact of abuse on brain in under 3's due to rapid organisation of brain aged 0-3 and how in teens there's a potential opportunity to undo some of the damage due to the second massive reorganisation that actually continues to around age 25.

Brain organisation re autism, theory of central coherence, affecting social communication, regulation and executive function.

ADHD - areas of brain can be more reliant on immediate rewards, dopamine etc often hence very good at computer games (adhd and asd can have a big over lap)

Speech and language

Other bits I've just listened to on radio 4 various tv documentaries- Michael Mosely did a good series last year and also impact of trauma on the brain.

You say you have no problem with this as girls do it too.

Not every article has to be about men's sexual violence. It's not some kind of attack on women that the author of the article is concerned about the effect of porn on kids generally. No one who reads that article is going to conclude that somehow girls are as likely to commit sexual violence as boys, given that all the examples mentioned are are of boys.

I'd also point out that sexual exploitation of a child by another child isn't always violent and the instances I mentioned are quite likely to be of the latter kind. I have doubts that there are even stats collected that would be relevant which might be something to think about before demanding statistics. Not everything that is true can be proven statistically.

I'm not sure what your problem is. It's a bleedin' headline, one that is accurate and tells what the article is concerned with, and its a good article. Which is more than you can say about a lot of them. Maybe you'd like something different, I don't think it matters, but it's a minor point either way. Not worth being confrontational about.

I've never heard anyone talk about this outside of MN. It was my first thought when I heard about the whole idea of the blockers. I find it a bizarre gap, do people not realise the changes in the brain that teens go through?

This was my first question when I heard about it, does it also delay brain maturation. Because if so that is a big deal in a few different ways. But I have never heard it discussed outside of specialised instances like this. It took me a while to even find out the answer to the question because it was so ignored.

I'm also interested as at first you said girls watching porn led them to abuse other children, now it's girls who have been sexually abused. Why the change. I'd think if anything, seeing mainstream het porn would set girls nicely up for abuse. That's probably another conversation though.

You've answered your own question, these things are linked. Watching extreme porn as a young person is a form of sexual abuse, even if it happens to be a passive one by society. Sexual abuse of kids makes them a risk to other kids and also puts them at risk themselves.

This is not just "child on child assaults", it is not just "kids" being "a risk to other kids".
This is mainly MVAWG. Male Violence Against Women and GIrls.

Please stop trying to spin this as "girls to it too". No, they don't - nowhere near to such extremes.