Porn has fuelled a 400% increase of child on child assaults

[NeurotrashWarrior]

A very depressing read.

It's clear to me that access to online things via the Internet, mobile phones and social media is a huge problem for our teens in many ways.

fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-fuels-child-on-child-sex-attacks/

Interesting that it's the NSPCC that provide the data on this. And valine data it is.

Yes, very interesting given current events at the NSPCC...

The headline reminds me of that stella creasy conversation. Where she talked about Peer on peer abuse. Where therrs a deliberate attempt to hide what's really going on. Under UK law rape can only be committed by a man or boy.

It drives me nuts how they deliberately try and obscure this so no one puts 2 and 2 together when mixed sex loos etc are sneaked in.

I wonder if this will trigger more if an investigation or whether it will be more empty promises.

Very good point Sarah. No mention of males committing the offences. At the same time these boys have been subject to abuse by being able to access the content. However, this is being done to girls and they are invisible in the headline.

(This was shared by the deep green resistance women's caucus on fb by the way if anyone fancies following them.)

That was my first thought: "child on child? Really?" Or boy on girl?

"Boy" (has to be: we're talking about 120 rape convictions under UK law) on both sexes (one case with multiple victims was boy on boy).

But yes, as is so often the case, the report is covering up the fact that the violence is being perpetrated by males.

It seems to be covering alot tbh.

Wheres the details?

They could have linked to news stories where all those women have died being strangled.

The injuries incurred.

They seem to managed to minimiseehats going on. Those who read the article who may have watched soft core porn or grown up looking at page 3 are going to come away thinking that perhaps they just slapped them.around a bit.

It needs to be out there just what these kids are seeing and the very real cases of the harm its causing.

I also think though that it should not completely get parents off the hook by 100 percent blaming the porn.

We all watched things we shouldn't as children. We arent all murdering people or doing drugs etc

What's needed is to actually parent these children. Teach them about how to treat others. Consent. To not be so easily influenced.

Whereas it will have an effect its still a symptom of a bigger picture imo.

To be fair it's depressing enough without detailing exact injuries and deaths Sarah.
A boy repeatedly raping his younger sister by 12yrs after becoming obsessed with porn is a harrowing enough account to make you think wtf is going on.

Thanks for linking to this campaign, I'll try to support in some way.

Sarah yes I did think reading that that there must be something going on with what boys are learning from their parents. So many dads watch porn themselves and might think "it's no big deal" for a child to see it. Or is their internet use just not being monitored in anyway? Are they left alone a lot?

I think it can be traumatic for a young child to see the type of sex typically portrayed in porn. They don't understand it properly. Eg the huge percentage that think it's a real depiction of what sex is like.

That's awful... I found really effective way to stop that bad content on my internet and protect my kids. I downloaded a program from familyfriendlydns.com/ and installed it on my windows.

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I agree its absolutely harrowing. However what you see and hear on a daily basis still at the route of it has the girls as being somehow responsible
With their make up or their clothes or whatever. Even with the most ghastly news paper articles , when shared on face book or whatever guaranteed within the first few comments there will be something along the lines of "what was she doing out that late"

For example when that 14 yr old was raped twice. She escaped the first one only to be picked up and raped by a cab driver. That's what she was doing out that late....

If it wasnt for this board i dont think I would he aware just how graphic and horrific and porn can be. I've never seen or thought to look at anything like what people describe on here.

So many people view it as harmless. The parents of my age could quite possibly even when they joke about rough sex or give the big " I like a bit of PvC me..." in order to sound more adventurous or in the know than they are, I think.its more than possible that many do not quite know what's out there.

It mentioned incest but men still joke about doing twins...

I sadly think it needs to be laid out a bit more so parents can look beyond what she was wearing and beyond what they think it might have been that they saw...

Personally I'd like to see a return to kids organising themselves at school more by writing down their homework. A return to books and writing. I dont think 10 upwards is really responsible enough for phones and internet. Even typing in innocent search criteria the links can be a real surprise

Two boys in Dublin have just been convicted of a murder carried out when they were 13, where they lured a girl to a deserted building, armed with a BDSM kit. One boy had 12,000 pornographic files on his phones.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/pornographic-images-and-socalled-murder-kit-what-the-ana-kriegel-trial-jury-didnt-hear-38230381.html

The jury in the trial were never told about it as the judge said "relevance" was lacking.

It's frustrating that this is being delayed. Although I don't know whether it will solve the problem entirely.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/20/uks-porn-age-verification-system-to-be-delayed-indefinitely

Holy crap, Juells. HOW is that mot relevant??!

Holy crap, Juells. HOW is that mot relevant??!

One of or a combination of 3 things.

1. they are all secretly watching this shit themselves

2. the girl was responsible in some way (not true but there the attitude in every case)

3. they know about porn but genuinely have little concept of what is really available out there and exactly how and what it really is

I've just read that Irish Independent article. It's an excellent piece of journalism but my god it's harrowing reading. That poor child.

The boys convicted were 13 at the time of the offence, which apparently makes them the youngest convicted murderers in recent Irish history. Like Juells, I was struck by that vast amount of porn on the phone of a 13yo boy. I was fortunate that my children were in their teens before smartphones were available so they only accessed the internet by the family desktop PC, which was easy to monitor. It must require a lot of work now to keep checking what children are seeing online.

The jury in the trial were never told about it as the judge said "relevance" was lacking.

In fairness, the judge didn't say it was irrelevant to the case. He excluded it as evidence after ruling its prejudicial value outweighed its probative value. In other words, the judge agreed with the prosecution that it could prejudice the jury and that risk of that outweighed its value.
www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-jury-not-told-of-porn-found-on-boy-a-s-phone-1.3929624

I'm not saying I agree with the judge, but it's more nuanced than just saying it's irrelevant.

Sunset, I heard a mention of that on the radio news the other day. Delayed a couple of times now because of technical difficulties. My solution to that would be to get the sites shut down until they can prove that they are not letting minors access the site. Surely gambling sites have to do this? I know there are ways round it but to have no controls at all is just not good enough.

If I ran the world, they'd all be shut down completely, but at the very least they should be doing their utmost to restrict their vile content to adults.

My solution to that would be to get the sites shut down until they can prove that they are not letting minors access the site.

You are the Chinese Minister of Information and I claim my five hundred Yuan

You cannot shut down the internet. It was built to survive a nuclear war.

You could put in a big Chinese-style firewall around the whole country to stop anything the govt. doesn't like.

Is that what you want?

Horrific, and agree, deeply infuriating that they say 'children' when they mean 'boys'.

you cannot possible get to a solution if you refuse to name the problem.

Yes I started reading about Ana Kriegel's murder last night. Just harrowing.

you cannot possible get to a solution if you refuse to name the problem.

They don't want a solution.

Agree they don't want a solution

What's needed is to actually parent these children. Teach them about how to treat others. Consent. To not be so easily influenced.

Absolutely.

The responsibility lies with parents and all adults who normalise this stuff. (Including art exhibitions.) As a teacher I've noticed a complete lack of awareness among a staggering amount of parents regarding how children access social media and online info. It's possible to allow the internet to be a part of family life in an appropriate way but there's a responsibility that lies with parents and also any type of educational IT group.

My local school buy in an ex lea IT advisor who gives an excellent annual parents safeguarding talk outlining exactly how to approach all of this in ways that allow age appropriate online access with content blocks and also and open channel of communication about what they may encounter online. It's complex though and requires parents to attend and then implement the ideas, some of which cost.