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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Every lie incurs a debt to the truth, and sooner or later that debt has to be paid.

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Eaudear · 17/06/2019 20:43

When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there, but it is still there.

These are two lines from the amazing dramatisation of Chernobyl, which I have just finished watching. Obviously the character is talking about something in a different context, but these lines resonated so much with me about what is happening at the moment, that I just wanted to post them.

I know there has been lots of discussion already about the almost totalitarian nature of some of the language used in the transgender debate. When I was listening to the podcast linked to the Chernobyl series, they were talking about how in the Soviet Union people were terrified to speak out about anything that went against the party line for fear of losing their jobs and being alienated from their society. Familiar isn't it?

I want trans people to be able to live their lives in peace, free from fear of violence or discrimination. But this shouldn't have to involve lying, to involve repeating something you know isn't true. People use certain pronouns to be kind, people play along with 'TWAW' because they think it's the right thing to do. But even the wokest of the woke, in the back of their mind, must know the truth:

Humans cannot change sex. Men will never be women. Girls will never be boys. Anything that deviates from this is a lie, isn't it?

Even if we lie, the truth is still always there. What will be the debt to pay?

Every lie incurs a debt to the truth, and sooner or later that debt has to be paid.
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OneEndedStick · 17/06/2019 20:51

And this is why no matter how many ways people try to appease them, it's never enough. Because it's foundation is untrue. A lie, to be blunt. And honest.

twicemummy1 · 17/06/2019 21:01

Loved this post thank you. I also read another inspiring quote about truth having an unmistakeable crystal clear ring to it

truthisarevolutionaryact · 17/06/2019 21:26

I fear that women and children will pay the debt with their safety and well being Sad

S1naidSucks · 17/06/2019 21:35

I fear that women and children will pay the debt with their safety and well being

They already have. From the women that have been sexually assaulted in jail to the little girls that have been sexually assaulted in female toilets. And the ONLY reason this has happened is because men who identify as trans, are being given access to areas where vulnerable females are. Every time the language is manipulated further in order to perpetuate the myth that a man is less likely to behave like a man, because of how he identifies, more women and children are put at risk.

OvaHere · 17/06/2019 21:36

I watched this series (which is brilliant btw) and thought exactly the same about that quote and the subsequent obfuscation by the authorities.

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2019 21:37

Love this.

I believe in the fundamental truth as being essential to freedom.

It's a big deal to me for lots of reasons.

Love the quote and it resonant with my own understanding and historical knowledge.

The idea that a truth stands alone in its power without the need for dressing it up with pr or similar. It burns even when everything goes to shit.

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson

AlwaysComingHome · 18/06/2019 04:37

I watched this series (which is brilliant btw) and thought exactly the same about that quote and the subsequent obfuscation by the authorities.

I made the connection too. I even quoted it in another thread.

There’s an excellent book called Stalin and the Scientists by Simon Ings (who is probably better known as a science fiction writer but has also written a very good book on the eye) that looks at Lysenkoism and other ideological perversions of science in the Soviet Union.

There are very strong parallels with what is going on now.

TirisfalPumpkin · 18/06/2019 07:08

I am glad they used the show to make a point about the cost of universal deceit, rather than just disasterporn. I also saw parallels.

While this was said by Thomas Sowell and not Valery Legasov, it seemed fitting: “There are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and posthumously.” There are too many powerful vested interests for any sort of justice to be achieved or truths to be told on a grand scale. I think the best we can hope for is a quiet rowing back, no apology, no acknowledgement.

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