Emancipation and the wrong side of history

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In every emancipation the opposers held strong beliefs why they were right and why the oppressed group should not be emancipated. African-American emancipation, religious emancipation, universal suffrage, women's suffrage, access to birth control - opposers had 'proof' that the group fighting for emancipation were morally or intellectually unsuited to emancipation, and reasons why it was better for them, and for society as a whole, to remain oppressed.

Yet emancipation enhances the lives of those emancipated, without harming anyone else.

And that, surely, is the crux of the matter: without harming anyone else.

Men wearing dresses, calling themselves by feminine names, acting according to stereotypes of femininity, harm nobody.

Men accessing female spaces harm women.

Dismantling safeguarding harms vulnerable people. Not just women, but children, disabled people, elderly people.

The woke types consider trans rights to be an emancipation. The opposers of emancipation are generally considered to be 'on the wrong side of history'. How can it be an emancipation if the result will be to harm people?

We are free to do anything we like, as long as we do not harm each other. All our laws reflect this principle. Only theocracies and dictatorships do not practice personal liberty.

All the scientific arguments for or against trans ideology are irrelevant in the face of the overarching philosophy of any functioning society: do not harm each other.

There isn't a single human rights campaign that removes the human rights from another group.
Having to create new services to accommodate others, or give up your slaves and employ paid workers might be inconvenient and expensive, but is not a loss of human rights.

I think this is why its so important to activists that the meaning of language is changed. It ends the possibility of dissent, and it masks the cultural shift and the resulting harm.

Exactly. Emancipation may inconvenience some people, but it does not harm them.

I think you have set things up too simply. Freedom is a difficult idea.

Most importantly I don't think you can assume that emancipation always harms no one else, or that it does not create significant problems for someone else. There is nothing that guarantees us that is the case. If it was, that would be nice, so easy to see when we have things right. But nothing in the logic of the universe tells us there cannot be a significant or fundamental conflict between the rights of to people or groups.

I don't think we should assume as a matter of course, even if we happen to think it is true, that every emancipation movement of the past has been true and good or gone in the right direction. We might be wrong, the arguments might have been wrong.

I also think it's necessary to be careful when thinking about what emancipation is. There have been very different understandings of what it means to be free through history, what is necessary to freedom. Today we have freedom of movement in the west seen as foundational, at least within the country of our birth. We do not however have the right to stay put in our own home neighbourhood if we don't own property there, even if we do we can't always expect to be able to live off that land. Some times have seen freedom in being protected from bad influences or error, rather than in choice, and many people now are beginning to see that choice itself can sometimes be oppressive.

Lets cut to the chase, women are losing basic human rights;

www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html

I totally beg to differ with the OP. Feminism means that men will be set to lose many many things. That's why they'd rather destroy the world and bring us down with it rather than let us be free.
Any feminism that says men won't lose out can't be real feminism.

Just an example : of feminism were to succeed as a movement there would be no more prostitution. Men know this. They will lose their inalienable right to access women's bodies. I'm being deadly serious when I say men would rather kill themselves and all of us rather than let this happen

Sure, complete female emancipation would mean men lose certain 'privileges', but they would not come to any harm through it. As TheInebriati said: Having to create new services to accommodate others, or give up your slaves and employ paid workers might be inconvenient and expensive, but is not a loss of human rights.

The trans movement is not a movement for the emancipation of an oppressed group, it is an assault on women's human rights. The ROGD teens are collateral damage.

From the link I posted, women are losing human rights that have been defined by the UN;

12 - No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

18 - Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

19 - the right to freedom of opinion and expression

20 - (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

21 - (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government

28 - Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

29 - (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

30 - Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Feminism means that men will be set to lose many many things.

These things are privileges though, not rights. What human rights does feminism take from men?