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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall article; silencing democracy and a lucrative gravy train

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 16/06/2019 08:40

The excellent Sunday Times reporting on a powerful letter from university academics. It's worth noting the jaw dropping amounts of public money that universities have thrown at trans lobby groups. No wonder such unrepresentative organisations are able to exert such a hold on the public discourse - they are rolling in £££ .

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-is-using-its-power-to-stifle-trans-debate-say-top-academics-dtswlcl0n?shareToken=2a972dd27ff6ea8dd3791c1293c9e633

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nonsenceagain · 16/06/2019 19:05

Thank you to everyone who signed that. You are heroic.

realdoctor · 17/06/2019 23:14

Quick update: woke academic twitter has just mobilised to condemn the letter to the Sunday Times.

The response letter is all about being supportive of LGBTQI+, especially trans people, and it has 2000 signatures. (Having read the letter, the only thing in it I disagree with is the support of the Stonewall Diversity Champions scheme because that does interfere with academic freedom.) It's the same old problem, who wouldn't like to be nice to people? But this misses the point, and I just don't understand why so many academics can't see that.

AgileLass · 17/06/2019 23:35

As academics and other colleagues working in higher education, we are writing to register our support for policies and practices which are inclusive and supportive of our trans colleagues and students.
Criticism and critique of policies and programmes that promote inclusiveness, such as Stonewall Diversity Champions, is not in and of itself unwelcome. Such things are products of dialogue and discussion, and they evolve over the course of this dialogue. However, the primary concern must be with the wellbeing of the people subject to those policies. The vulnerability of the LGBTQIA+ community, especially young people and those who are transgender or gender-diverse, is well documented. As educators, we have a duty of care to our students and colleagues. Respect for their gender identity and/or sexuality is an integral aspect of that duty of care. It is inconceivable that this duty should be considered antithetical to “academic freedom”. Rather, ignoring or denying it precludes our fellow academics and colleagues — be they undergraduate students, postgraduate candidates, early career researchers, lecturers, professional-services staff or innumerable others — from experiencing a secure and supportive environment safely to pursue their own freedom.

We support the rights of colleagues to free speech, and safe debate, but until all LGBTQIA+ people can live, work and learn in our universities without fear or intimidation, it is vital that we stand up and say that we support the rights of trans and other gender-diverse people to be who they are.

Here’s the text of the response letter.

FWIW, I think the thing about pronouns in the original letter was unnecessary and ill-advised. Made criticism of the whole thing far too easy.

Goosefoot · 18/06/2019 01:52

So, I always like to look backwards a bit.

How did it get there, that universities were thinking they needed to accept these kinds of demands to be "good". They really just fell into line over this, the groundwork must have already been laid.

drspouse · 18/06/2019 13:29

FWIW, I think the thing about pronouns in the original letter was unnecessary and ill-advised. Made criticism of the whole thing far too easy.

The problem is, if Stonewall say this, and academics say "OK", then the next thing they will be told they can't say someone is male (or are we already there?).

secular111 · 18/06/2019 21:26

For years I was suspicious of the term 'whiteism'. Then, and I can't remember precisely what event tipped me over the edge, I began to see the TRA's, particularly in university's, as pushing whiteism to the nth degree.

The routine racism directed at black people, particularly black women, and the outrageous misogyny are easy clues. Indeed the insistent cry from MCWs (Men Claiming Womanhood) that TWAW comes overwhelmingly from white men and their (white) female allies.

Although of course there are exceptions in the black community (Dawn Butler MP's position on transracialism isn't known) I suspect the lack of support for the transgender cause from the black community might just be because it realises that it will be next-in-line, with transracialism the next battleground.

With male whiteism not content with colonising women's space, the protected characteristics of the BAME community is also ripe for re-colonising.

FreeFreesia · 19/06/2019 11:58

This might be of interest to those concerned with academic freedom & online social networks. twitter.com/HullUni_Library/status/1141260579027456001

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