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Data breaches by Mermaids exposed in the Times

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 18:46

Mermaids has apparently put lots of confidential data online including private emails, personal data and emails demonstrating the pressure they have put on the Tavistock.
Andrew Gilligan article - share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parents-anger-as-child-sex-change-charity-puts-private-emails-online-tl0g5hwcg?shareToken=2f8ddc23419c61360023562a62e74d13

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RedToothBrush · 18/06/2019 09:24

Attachments you think are just sitting on the back end and not visible to the public can sometimes be accessed because on certain website CMS (like Wordpress core) google can crawl the whole site.

Certainly possible I guess.

Would be more reassuring that either if the other explanations.

ChattyLion · 18/06/2019 09:24

Quite apart from the dreadful errors leading this stuff being out there on there in public, the more I think about it, why were staff sharing correspondence like that with their Trustees anyway?

What decision, or support, or to what end was this sharing this personal info with the Trustees in the first place?

Trustees aren’t staff, they don’t carry out the work of the charity, Trustees set the direction for the staff and have responsibility for the charity’s work to be fulfilling its legal aims.

Did the parents know this sharing would be happening and give permission for their correspondence with the charity staff to be shared with Trustees?

SunsetBeetch · 18/06/2019 09:26

Mermaids' trustees reportand accounts for the past three years are on the Charity Commission's website. The trustees at the time are listed in the reports.

beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1160575&subid=0

Ereshkigal · 18/06/2019 09:28

Would be more reassuring that either if the other explanations.

It would, but extremely foolish and wrong of Mermaids to store them where anyone with web editing rights could see them and where they were vulnerable.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2019 09:28

Did the parents know this sharing would be happening and give permission for their correspondence with the charity staff to be shared with Trustees?

You'd need explicit consent from parents that they had agree to sharing this data for a particular purpose to be compliant with data protection law. You can't collect data and use it for purposes you haven't specified, cos its a data breech.

The Times quotes parents affected saying they weren't.

SunsetBeetch · 18/06/2019 09:29

Oh sorry, hadn't refreshed. See this has already been posted.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/06/2019 09:31

Trustees aren’t staff, they don’t carry out the work of the charity

That's what I thought but one of their current trustees, Anna Chivers, is both a trustee and a Mermaids helpline volunteer.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 18/06/2019 09:34

What an absolute shit show. That's such highly sensitive information. They make me sick. Those poor families. And now it's out there forever.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2019 09:46

Katvon, one of the feature of this, is the failure of Susie Green personally, to recognise / care about the sensitive nature of that information. And for non of the trustees to question what she was sharing with them.

Susie treated that information as her property and for her to freely use for her own purposes without consultation.

This suggests, in a way, how much she regards mermaids families as her personal fiefdom and property.

No one, not even the trustees, seems capable of questioning what she was doing.

SorryAuntLydia · 18/06/2019 09:48

Oh good another NHS doctor to avoid...Mermaid’s newest Trustee

Data breaches by Mermaids exposed in the Times
OvaHere · 18/06/2019 09:50

He is married to the Pink Penis News CEO Ben Cohen

ChattyLion · 18/06/2019 09:54

Trustees are supposed to hold staff to account though- how do they deal with the conflict of interests there?

R0wantrees · 18/06/2019 09:55

Oh good another NHS doctor to avoid...Mermaid’s newest Trustee

Anthony James is Benjamin Cohen's husband
Benjamin Cohen is the founder & CEO of Pink News

Cohen is a lobbyist with considerable influence

Some examples of Pink News (Prick News) bias, false reporting etc on thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3390910-Can-we-talk-about-Pink-News-Collecting-examples-of-their-propaganda

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/06/2019 10:02

3 incarnations of the Mermaids statement......not great at PR are they?

HumberElla · 18/06/2019 10:08

*This suggests, in a way, how much she regards mermaids families as her personal fiefdom and property.

No one, not even the trustees, seems capable of questioning what she was doing.*

And with such a massive cull of trustees, who are there to challenge and hold the organisation to account, creating a personal fiefdom will be very easy. 3 cosy chums do not make for a robust governance structure.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/06/2019 10:14

If this is genuinely the correct archive, there also appears to be a page of a 'MAPS' research group in amongst them. Am I reading this wrongly. Hopefully I am.

Poor families. This is horror show.

Juells · 18/06/2019 10:17

Why is nobody in authority joining the dots?

HumberElla · 18/06/2019 10:23

The authority is part of the problem in most cases I think.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2019 10:25

Why is nobody in authority joining the dots?

Cos they aren't looking for issues.

They are just accepting things at face value.

They don't WANT to see an issue, because if they do, they have to do something about it.

Which says a few things about the big lottery who were supposed to investigate...

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 18/06/2019 10:26

Why is nobody in authority joining the dots?

They ARE the dots.

MrsJamin · 18/06/2019 10:41

Anyone else from a charity wish to go to this charity event in Leeds and ask Susie Green about good governance of a small charity? She would like to talk about "the most recent developments for the charity", apparently!

partisanpattiserie · 18/06/2019 10:59

Prediction: Massive Fine and Admonishment from IOC; Gushing support from those who’s information was leaked (or refusal to publicly complain); Massive donation to pay the fine; talks and articles by SG on importance of robust data management for ‘small’ charities of the ‘Lessons Learned’ variety and...business as usual

FannyCann · 18/06/2019 11:12

Some of the emails suggest a cosy relationship and information sharing with Polly Carmichael and the Tavistock. They are also implicated in all this.

BiologyIsReal · 18/06/2019 11:15

Celia Walden in the Telegraph today

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/moral-high-ground-can-treacherous-place/

HandsOffMyRights · 18/06/2019 11:15

Partisan, you are sadly on the money there.