Woman subjected to lesbophobic attack speaks out

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/14/homophobic-attack-bus-outrage-media-white?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/14/homophobic-attack-bus-outrage-media-white is this one clicky?

Yes thats clicky thanks

Im not a regular feminism poster but I felt really let down reading this. "I have evaded much of the violence and oppression imposed on so many others by our capitalist, white supremacist, patriarchal system because of the privileges I enjoy by dint of my race, health, education, and conventional gender presentation." I think that many women of "conventional gender presentation" have not evaded violence and oppression. How can any woman with any clue about violence committed against women say this.

I have v mixed feelings about this.

I might need to reread a bit later and see what I think on second read.

She definitely has a lot of good points

But I feel that they may disregard out minimise a lot of stuff that goes on...

Of course she can only speak from her own experience as well, maybe she had 3 been lucky and not had too much shit in the past

Sorry for random 3 and stuff, on phone.

Hope it makes sense more or less

it's the last bit your not sure about int it, someone makes really good points about hate against marginilised groups but is trans inclusive so not sure you can support them in that.

Oh! I just found that a weirdly self absorbed word salad demanding somebody do something different.

Had she said "Because we are white and conventionally feminine in appearance our pictures went viral. How about some thought for X, Y and Z?" it would have been a more powerful message.

I can't post a link but the two women have a better article in the Guardian today.

the privileges I enjoy by dint of my race, health, education, and conventional gender presentation

I recall reading that the two women were not native English speakers. If that's right (please do correct me if I'm wrong), I'm surprised by the use of "by dint of".

Chris, the writer is American. Her partner, Melania, is from Uruguay!

Ahh right, glad to be corrected. In that case ignore what I posted.

Redirect your money from rainbow capitalism to people-of-colour-led organisations striving for justice. I donated to the Astraea Lesbian Foundation for Justice, Trans Women of Color Collective and Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund. Question why the photo of two attractive, white cisgender women compelled you to post about Pride for the first time.

Two trans charities mentioned when encouraging people to donate to people of colour

Honestly, I read the Cis bit and was so disappointed.

Tbf, if she hadn’t used “cis”, she would probably just get another avalanche of abuse. Not worth it.

Really the whole thing is just an excruciating identity politics buzz word bingo game, apologising for being white, apologising for being "pretty", apologising for not being transwomen, that we should think more about all groups of people who get punched in the face, but just not white women, or white men, definitely not them.

It would have been a more powerful message if they named the source of the problem directly, which in this case was male violence and misogyny. Quite a commonplace pairing that lots of people have experienced.
Perfectly typical of The Guardian.

I didn’t find that easy to follow - I assume she’s not a writer so fair enough. But I’ve read it three times now and my overwhelming impression is that a woman who has been beaten up by men seems to feel she has to minimise what happened to her and apologise for her privilege. That makes me very cross on her behalf.

It would be inexcusably crass to make any comment on how a victim should respond to a crime.

On the other hand she doesn't sound like someone I'd want to work with or socialise with in real life.

my overwhelming impression is that a woman who has been beaten up by men seems to feel she has to minimise what happened to her and apologise for her privilege

My overwhelming impression was of someone who would lecture me for the crime of being, white, middle- class, heterosexual and "cis" and find me wanting for the lack of wearing propitiatory sack cloth and ashes for my sins.

I've remembered why I stopped reading anything even to do with feminism. I know it's not good enough but I can't handle the feelings of frustration (and lots of other feelings I struggle to define) when reading stuff like this.
I remember someone trying to convince me to feel optimistic about the MeToo movement and I was hesitant. But I didn't foresee this level of crap.

This is a much better article: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/15/homophobic-attacks-must-stop-say-women-assaulted-on-london-bus-chris-and-melania-geymonat

It is true that if they'd been a couple of butch lesbians, there would have been much less press coverage

David Challen (son of Sally) posted it with the comment that he and his brother were able to get press coverage for their mother because they're men.