TRA inadvertently finds solution feminists and genderists might agree on

[NotTerfNorCis]

twitter.com/Emmy_Zje/status/1138982837317771264

Gender reveal parties can be called by the child once they’ve actually figured out their gender.

They/them pronouns could be used for everyone up to their reveal.

The world would be a completely different place if that were the norm.

So, we raise young children as completely gender neutral. Of course they'll be aware that there are two types of body, but no one will make a big deal of it. They'll have neutral names and a special pronoun just for young kids. A male-bodied child might like wearing sparkly dresses and a female-bodied child might like playing with trucks and going on adventures, and it's all okay, it's gender neutral!

Then the kids reach, say, five years old and the adults ask them 'what gender do you prefer'?

And the kids say, 'what is gender'?

And from then on the male-bodied kids can be known as male because that's what they are physically, and the female-bodied kids can be known as female for the same reason, but it has no effect on how they dress, what they're interested in, how they behave, what careers they choose and so on.

In this scenario there would be no reason for anyone to be 'trans' or 'NB' or 'genderfluid' because gender in the sense of a social construct would have been reduced simply to biological differences - the occasionally different needs of female and male bodied people.

Sounds like a good solution, Dr. Emmy Zje.

It’s an overly complicated solution to a very simple problem. Small children don’t need to know about made up social constructs. They just need to know that they can play with and wear whatever they want, whether they are boys or girls. Gender identity only becomes a thing when idiotic adults impose their own ridiculous agendas on children.

Yes, gender is stereotypes. If kids didn't learn about it, they couldn't have a 'gender identity'. They would have a sex, which is just biological fact.

Then the kids reach, say, five years old and the adults ask them 'what gender do you prefer'?

Why would anyone ask a 5 year old that? why would that be relevant to a 5 year old?

Ummmmm

Ok

But.... ummm, so we'll call babies theybies

Then they'll grow up never knowing that there's male / female / otherkin and at 5 they have to pick...!?

In other news, that twitter thread is a race to the wokesville win line ribbon. Go you (is that still ok to say )

NotTerf

To be clear, I was taking Dr Zje's theory and figuring out how it would work in practice. Dr Zje assumes everybody has an innate gender identity that they will find for themselves, despite having been raised gender neutral and not being taught gender stereotypes. I think that if kids were genuinely raised gender neutral, they wouldn't have a 'gender identity'.

Dr Zje is not the only TRA to have said this. Genderists are against babies being 'coercively assigned gender at birth'.

GirlDownUnder Dr Zje got outwoked by someone who finds gender neutral pronouns traumatic.

NotTerf in a day of wtf is happening, thank you

I loved this exchange... and I'm not sure I can even articulate why.

This is what happens when you stop believing in biology.

It sounds bloody stupid to me. And fucking gender reveal parties? Every time I hear that I want to punch it.Gender reveal my arse. It’s a girl arse btw, I know that cos it’s pink.

Now, now NotTerf as an also NorCis I'm assuming you can't or won't give birth. Only cis people give birth, ya know. I've been woked.

I really, really hope that (fucking) memo went out. Are all those 'non cis' births nullified?

I'm also not dying my hair blue or pink or magenta to fit in.

I will have more tea. Cheers

We all hate gender being coercively assigned at birth.

Sex is determined at conception - it’s something else entirely (and kids are aware of it way earlier than 5, because it’s a mammal thing. Even my dog can tell a woman from a man).

I've seen TRA saying that you can't tell a persons sex by looking at their genitals or dna, that sex is only determined in the brain. I wondered as well if this is what the future holds.

Gender neutral babies, 'cos you can't tell just by looking.

No gender primary schools, just wear, play, be what you want.

Then as puberty nears kids are going to have to choose, woman/man/trans/or not.

But then they've got no frame of reference because all their peers are gender neutral,

Would the whole philosophy just eat itself and implode?

Also could a girl decided to be a transwoman, and seek out surgery so she could be a woman with male privilige, and stand to pee?

Utter bollocks. We can get rid of gender stereotypes (I wish) and use 'she' to refer to females i.e. those born with vaginas and 'he' to refer to males i.e. those born with penises whatever the fuck they wear or do with their hair or want to behave like. If they have dysphoria and want to have surgery, no problem.

Gender identity only becomes a thing when idiotic adults impose their own ridiculous agendas on children

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Would the whole philosophy just eat itself and implode?

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Without gender you couldn't have gender dysphoria. I don't know if we'd get sexual dysphoria or not, but I'd imagine it'd be quite rare without all the trappings of gender. I mean, you could have surgery to simulate a sex change, but if it hardly made any difference socially because, for instance, anyone can wear a dress, then a lot of people probably wouldn't want to.

Yeah.

Bollocks, total bollocks.