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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MSM giving space to transactivists claiming WPUK, Fairplay for Women and Safe School Alliance aren't "real" groups and Karen Ingala Smith is spreading fake news

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stumbledin · 12/06/2019 01:07

2 nearly identical articles have been published in response to NSPCC denying they ever appointed Munroe Bergdorf as a special Ambassador.

Clearly they have been cobbled together by trans HQ as they have identical claims about WPUK, Fair Play for Women, Safe Schools Alliance and Karen Ingala Smith (its almost an insult that Mumsnet FWR is also attacked!) and spreaders of fake news.

They are trying to claim that they are just twitter accounts who dont really represent anybody. (I wonder if they got this idea from how many trans activist operate!)

www.independent.co.uk/voices/munroe-bergdorf-nspcc-childline-anti-trans-lgbt-pride-a8953591.html

www.thecanary.co/trending/2019/06/11/one-thread-exposes-how-a-small-group-raised-a-transphobic-twitter-mob-against-the-nspcc/

It maybe that when MSM amplifies what is happening on twitter (which only directly reaches less than 20% of the population) we should respond and correct the misinformation in these articles.

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OccasionalKite · 12/06/2019 01:22

So I'm wondering - was Munroe Bergdorf ever contracted, formally, to be, and I quote the Independent: "Childline’s first LGBT+ campaigner."? Or is this just MB pissing about for publicity, and recruiting flying monkeys?

OccasionalKite · 12/06/2019 01:30

As to *WPUK, Fairplay for Women and Safe School Alliance aren't "real" groups and Karen Ingala Smith is spreading fake news"

Utter bollocks.

I was there when the venue had to changed at the last minute because of anti-women activists brigading the original venue.

BickerinBrattle · 12/06/2019 02:06

Doesn't this constitute defamation or libel?

CharlieParley · 12/06/2019 03:32

Just love the way they argue that a group having members from other groups somehow invalidates all of them. The Scottish trans organisations all enjoy considerable overlap. As is perfectly normal of course, because different groups serve different purposes and different people obviously have different interests. The stupid really hurts sometimes...

Anyway, they can't even bring themselves to name Karen Ingala Smith's actual area of work while libelling her. She is not a sexual violence activist but a campaigner against male violence who centres female victims in her work.

And how laughable to conclude from Twitter how much support anything has in real life. I rather think they're getting carried away with the idea that theirs is the majority view because the echo chamber that is Twitter censors women who want to defend women's sex-based rights.

Professional polling companies randomly sample the population and could therefore claim to be somewhat more representative than Twitter user Helen's wonky maths. And poll after poll over the last two years has shown that support for legal sex self-id stands at a mere 18% or lower and that a large majority of women reject it outright.

So, wishful thinking vs reality. Awkward, really. Smacks of desperation, a hefty dose of it, too.

And once again, as a journalist trained the old-fashioned way, the lack of critical thinking, sceptical inquiry as well as basic research and fact checking is utterly disappointing (even if it's wholly predictable by now). My editor would have torn both those pieces up. But then again, he didn't allow propaganda pieces and op-ed only if they were clearly marked as opinion, not fact.

AnyOldPrion · 12/06/2019 05:39

It’s projection on a mammoth scale, no more, no less.

And again and again, objection to men demanding women’s rights and objecting to dubious characters with Teflon t coatings being given power over children, are conflated with homophobia because some asshole attached cross-dressing to LGB.

borntobequiet · 12/06/2019 05:46

I cancelled my subscription to the i newspaper ( which I liked) because it suddenly started to feature a number of pro trans stories.

Outanabout · 12/06/2019 07:27

The comments under the Independent article (just five or six at the moment) aren't accepting the bullshit. All very sensible.

Outanabout · 12/06/2019 07:29

Doesn't seem to matter how woke the media is, the public isn't buying it.

RoyalCorgi · 12/06/2019 07:53

The Scottish trans organisations all enjoy considerable overlap.

I think all the trans organisations have considerable overlap. Someone once did a thread detailing the connection (can't remember who it was, sorry). As AnyOldPrion says, it's projection. Or to give it its other name, DARVO.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/06/2019 09:22

The small number of comments and the poor quality of the piece shows how few readers The Independent has.

Doyoumind · 12/06/2019 10:01

MB's Twitter since this happened is only about this story. MB has pushed this into the media, doing interviews etc, both before and after the NSPCC turnaround. MB has used the whole saga to self-promote and at the same time damage the NSPCC without thought for the children it works to protect. How people can't see that is crazy.

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