...so IS gender a binary after all?

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Kay Burley show on in the background, they're asking for more men to give blood. "Women too?" KB asks. "We take blood from both genders" is the reply.

So gender's a binary quality then?

I hate, hate, hate the word 'gender' being used when they mean 'sex'. And for blood donation, they've no bloody excuse; there are questions on the form specific to male/female donors.

How to get blood out of a gender......

I hate, hate, hate the word 'gender' being used when they mean 'sex'. And for blood donation, they've no bloodygrin excuse; there are questions on the form specific to male/female donors.

Yes but blood donors can self identify which 'gender' their blood is recorded as.

They've also been lobbied by males who wanted first to identify as non-binary before opting for 'female'

2017 article: 'Giving blood as a non-binary transgender person'
(extract)
"So I explained again that I’m trans, that I’ve not started hormone treatment yet and that I’d prefer to register as female than male. I was still confused about this whole haemoglobin issue, but I asked her if I could still give blood as a female – and she said yes, no problem at all.

She also mentioned some recent training the staff had been given in terms of helping transgender donators – and found a page on her laptop from the staff’s own manual, which she gave me permission to photograph. Here it is:

“Sex change”? Really? Come on, NHS, this is 2017 – the only people who call transition a “sex change” are The Sun and the Daily Mail. Also, I can’t find any mention of these details on the blood.co.uk website. A search for “transgender” comes up blank.

Anyway, this again mentions the haemoglobin levels – and that testosterone is responsible for the higher levels in men. That makes sense. It also mentions male promiscuity with other men – not something that affects me.

So I asked again: am I still OK to give blood? The answer was yes, so that’s what I did. The woman spiking my arm checked my details but didn’t ask any more trans-related questions, so I went on to give my 11th donation. Still the same old red blood – not any more pink, not any less blue.

I still don’t understand the haemoglobin thing – and it won’t be an issue if and when I ever start HRT. In the meantime, I’m sure the levels get checked in a lab somewhere anyway, so I’m not unduly concerned." (continues)
beyondthebinary.co.uk/giving-blood-as-a-non-binary-transgender-person/

What happens to somebody’s blood if they change ‘gender’ after it has been donated? Does it magically transform in storage?

For medical purposes people's sex should be recorded. For fanciful identity feels purposes gender can be recorded if need be. Surely that's medicine 101.

It's harmful to men to receive blood from a men and vice versa anyway. Why is this safeguard overlooked for trans?

FFS not from a men
^ women.

Gender is a binary when it suits the woke. Like when they want to use it to replace sex for deciding the 2 categories for sports, or for changing facilities. You'd think if gender decided who it would be appropriate to play sports with or change in front of they'd be campaigning for third/fourth/seventy sixth spaces for the whole rainbow spectrum of "genders", but no strangely they only seem bothered about getting feminine identifying males into the female space. Telling that.

I'd like to know if there is any effect of hormones in a blood donation. If someone had other drugs in their blood it would be considered would it? Nothing wrong with the blood but I can't give blood anymore as I've had a transfusion after giving birth so I know there are lots of reasons why you can't give blood, another is if you have a tattoo or had sex with someone from certain countries.

Here is a very good reason why it is important to get the basic sex and medical history correct. Remember this is NOT have you had a full term pregnancy/given birth, this is a have you ever been pregnant question that should be asked/answered by ALL those born female.

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/10/17/blood-transfusions-women-have-pregnant-may-lethal-men-study/

It made me and then ?

I hadn't known anything about sex related differences in blood (other than the standard dna Chromosomal stuff) but hearing that it did make a difference and also hearing that they still call gender When they mean sex and that it actually matters.....lost for words. Came here to check.

Somewhere on the paperwork attached to a donation there's surely a way for the actual sex of the donor to be indicated? They'd never be that careless would they?

I think there was a recent (ish) thread where someone manged contact & discussion with the blood donation service.

They definitely mean gender not sex. Someone did a whole FOI on it - I'll see if I can dig up the thread. Basically they record you however you ID. But it gets dumber - the rules for men who have sex with men don't apply to men with TW partners but they do apply to men with TM partners! Aaaaand TW, like real women, can only give blood 3 times (men can do it 4 times a year) - the reason for this is because we have periods. My brain almost exploded reading it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3584176-NHS-Blood-donating-form-saying-gender-not-sex

That was one of my earliest proper "peek" moments I think, when I realised how deeply fucked we were that even the NHS didn't care about reality enough to enforce basic medical safeguarding.

The thing is, we have non binary and gender fluid etc but apparently gender isn’t binary? If it isn’t then how can one be non binary? Surely that implies that gender is binary? Half the new terms contradict many others.

Yup, and the people all sold on the ladybrain science that says you can see on an MRI that TW have brains more similar to women than men (which is false) or that gender ID develops and is fixed in utero due to androgen exposure (also false). But if it were true, then you couldn't also have "gender fluid" people. It's just a lot of thinly stretched pseudo science.

Suppose there was a test that reliably ranked brains on a spectrum from blue to pink. It still wouldn't be useful for much would it? You wouldn't want sport categories separated by brain hue, it's body types that matter in sport. And where would you draw the line in this spectrum anyway? Brain hue wouldn't make an abused woman feel safer in the presence of a penis, it's male bodies she's traumatised about, she can't see their brain colour. Brain hue doesn't cause people to get pregnant or be discriminated against on the basis that they might get pregnant. We've seen no evidence that brain hue (along the transgender spectrum rather than the personality type universe) even causes transwomen to adopt more traditionally feminine roles and be discriminated against through systematic undervaluing of caring roles for example. Sexed bodies still exist, we still need to talk about issues of female biology. Not sure what sort of issues would be common to pink brain people that they might want to get together and talk about? Even in terms of privacy and dignity for women, I feel more comfortable with another woman for certain things because they share the experience of having the same body parts as I would be exposing. Not because of their brain hue.

Why would pink brain blue brain supercede sex even if it was proved to exist?

If there was a straightforward test it would be helpful for knowing when to treat body dysmorphia (Yup, fuschia brain male body, going to be lifelong dysmorphia - treat. Nope, blue brain, more therapy to explore difference between personality and sex and sexuality. May be gay or just like sequins.)
It could help weed out abusive males lying to get access to women e.g. in prison scenario. But I still don't see how you could sensible incarcerate people who can get pregnant with people who can impregnate however genuinely dysmorphic.

Nor do I, thirdfiddle, it just defies belief really. We are talking about sensible adults in positions of responsibility, and yet they pretend they believe a rapist - an act which can only be performed with a penis - is a woman just because he says he is.

Anyway, I am pleased that the blood donor service are clearly as confused by all this nonsense as everyone else is.

And I shall continue on my merry Gender Free and XX Chromosome way.