Green Party Conference evicts gender critical woman

[2Rebecca]

Deborah Fink was thrown out of the England and Wales Green Party Conference today for link to it.
Yesterday a motion on misogyny being a hate crime was amended after transactivists put a leaflet and campaigned saying the motion wasn't inclusive. The Standing Orders Committee ininitally disallowed the amendment saying it negated the motion (which is correct) but it then got put to conference and allowed sadly.
Deborah got ejected today after a committee meeting. She had 4 proxy votes and her own vote and she suspects that was the reason.
I don't know what happened about the actual vote on the motion and amended motion today. I've just garnered this info from twitter but it all sounds depressingly familiar from green parties. Women are a feminine feeling not a sex. Photos of the anti sex based protection leaflets attached. Thjey even managed to drag women with DSD in to it.

The motion and it's amendment fell off the agenda today.

So the most contentious motion and its amendment weren't even debated? No wonder I couldn't find the result. Cowardly as well as misogynistic.

Just seen the Confetence goes on tomorrow as well. Doesn't anyone have work to go to? Presume most sensible people will have returned home and to work and only die hard activists and those without jobs will be debating women's rights tomorrow

Same here Fleetwood. Even though sorting out the Brexit debacle is important, I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party that regards women with such contempt.

At least people in the Green Party are still fighting back against the TRAs nonsense. Labour & LibDems are far worse. Sian Berry is awful, really stupid, but Caroline Lucas is ace, so is Molly Scott Cato. I think the most important issue is climate change & I think voting for the Greens is only way to get the right policies to fight climate change. If enough GC women joined the Greens we could all change the stupid Trans stuff. Whereas the big parties would be too difficult.

Well according to Glinners latest tweet the GP candidate for Nottingham is very happy to call women T*RFS in public and he dismisses womens concerns as them ‘pretending to be oppressed’

Not sure Hell will ever get cold enough for me to vote Green.

Didn’t Molly Scott Cato repeat TWAW in a programme about Maya Forstater’s sacking?

Yes Slippery. She did. BBC Politics I think, stated very clearly. I was gutted.

I am more and more distributed by the greens. In many other ways there are the perfect fit party for me to vote for.

*disappointed

A relatively young idealist environmental party which particularly appeals to the young is a good/easy target for infiltration and, by securing key positions, you would consequently be able to modify the agenda. That was what Aimee Challenor did - no local supervision in Coventry.

The Greens have been played....

The structure of policy making at conferences can also privilege those people without work or caring responsibilities. They are looking at online participation though, which will help that.

I think the most important issue is climate change & I think voting for the Greens is only way to get the right policies to fight climate change. If enough GC women joined the Greens we could all change the stupid Trans stuff. Whereas the big parties would be too difficult

I've heard this myself from my son ( about climate change), but I refer you to my post on the first page of the thread, about the finding principles of the Ecology movement. This was a holistic vision. About balance and harmony between humanity, society and the planet. Climate change does not exist as a single issue - because it is connected ( & caused by) to a whole chain and series of decisions, made on the basis of a certain set of values.

I'm feeling pretty doubtful that we are going to be able to do that much about it, I'm afraid. For a start it requires international/global and unequivocal co-operation and agreement. And also, we seem to be going in the opposite direction as a population. Technology ( 5G, for example)/pharmaceuticals/Artificial Intelligence - moving away from first principles of respect for the earth, its creatures and from our own human bodies and humanity.

At most, the Green party needs to get back to these first principles. Instead we have a rag bag assortment of disparate and conflicting issues. The TRA agenda being one of them.

founding ( correction)

The GP conference is over. Was this motion without the wrecking amendment actually debated and voted on?

No.

I see the trans and misogyny issue has been covered in The Grauniad already. Honestly, I don’t know why I bother reading it any more it’s so full of utter crap! Non-trans women my fucking arse 😤 No wonder they haven’t allowed comments for this one.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/19/valerie-jackson-trans-women-misogyny-feminism

And actually I can see the point that people perceived as being female (but not) could arguably be victims of misogyny but I don’t think this argument is being made in good faith here, at all.

Aimee is with LDs now and I have reason to believe that the Greens can come back to GC reason. (The amendment didn't get voted on but it can be tabled again. It's not over.)

Their core values remain focused, their policies are strong, the trans faction will not win in the end. Like the house of cards it will crumble inside and outside of political parities. The Greens have had to diversify to become mainstream and be taken more seriously and it is because of this they have been infiltrated. Progress has and is being made - they are far from perfect, but given the alternative and the impending climate crisis I'm going to give them my support.

I'm not saying I don't struggle with it, I think often of David Challenor's victim and of the 'non-men' misogyny, but we're all going to be dead in 30 years and I'll be damned to hell if I'll vote for Self-ID Labour.

We're also going to burn or drown regardless of how we identify!

(Sorry to be glum, I've been reading environmental science reports and it's been raining a lot so I'm considering building an ark!)

A good conference overall.

What was good about the conference?

So RJFirth, you're a bloke but you think it's fine to tell women whether or not they are oppressed, is that right?

I thought men were not allowed on Mumsnet?

Whoever said that was an idiot.

It's an open public forum, anyone can join just follow the talk guidelines.