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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The shifting language around the T issue.

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FloralBunting · 07/06/2019 23:22

Ok, strap in for this one. I share it for the purpose of examining the language, as I try and keep tabs on the way AWAs use terms to shift their argument, and this is replete with things I have been noticing for a while, and some new trends. It will also befuddled and frustrate you, and that's what it is written to do, so you might need a glass of something to get you through it.

First thing - the scorn poured on the 'born in the wrong body' phrasing. We've recognized this one coming for a while, knowing that the Trans movement would be jettisoning the older understandings of gender dysphoria as quick as it could. But the way it's being enacted is to say that the phrase 'born in the wrong body' is the term trans people used because cis people were too stupid to understand the deep concepts involved in 'transness'.

That's significant because 'transness' appears to be an emerging buzzword that I suspect may supplant 'queer' in due course. Cislation is another newer coinage you may come across.

Also, if you really can't face wading through the whole thing, and I wouldn't blame you, this particular bit will tell you the most important message:

Who we are as trans people is often complex, always beautiful, and infinitely boundless. As we have shown, to have our transness codified and limited through the phenomenon of cislation, which substitutes our limitless natures for cisgender peoples’ coherence, is problematic on multiple levels. We also understand that our arguments may be challenging for readers in that we stray from easy solutions and digestible understandings of our trans selves for others to consume. This is intentional, lest we fall into the traps of cislation. Thus, we close our essay with a call for people of all genders — and especially cisgender people — to embrace complexity over a false sense of readability of trans realities.
Embracing our call means focusing not on cis-readability via cislation, but on trans humanity via centering transness in all its boundless potentialities and possibilities. If we care deeply about trans lives, then we need to recognize that the promotion of a nonbinary/binary trans dichotomy does more harm than good.

Yes, that's right, please remember that trans people are so very much more complex and beautiful than 'cis' people, and the most important thing that cis people can do is centre transness in everything.

medium.com/national-center-for-institutional-diversity/not-another-gender-binary-a-call-for-complexity-over-cis-readability-d9eaefdcefc2

Now, as tempting as it is to rip this into confetti, it is useful to be aware of what is going on out there is the land of meaningless babble, where the removal of women's rights is just one glorious step in the boundless vision of transness.

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AlwaysComingHome · 08/06/2019 23:57

It sounds like the kind of thing piped into people’s bedrooms while they sleep in a sinister science fiction film.

‘Nothing is real. Nothing is fixed. When you awake you will be boundless and limitless. You are transcendent. All inferior beings who stand in your way must be eliminated...’

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 08/06/2019 23:57

The thing is you can get your head around dysphoria, and also have sympathy for it. That's why we get people coming to scold us about how awful it must be to be trapped in the wrong body, we're so mean etc. But then you have a "what is non binary" thread like the one in chat the other day and it's wall to wall "not true trans", "attention seeking nonsense", "special snowflake" stuff. And really, NB is just scratching the surface of the trans weirdness. It might give them power in the cult, but in the real world people have no time for it. And whilst people seem to be fine with sweeping societal change like accepting men can literally be women, minor bureaucratic change (like "Mx" options on forms) drives them potty. If NB people start seriously angling for NB options on passports there'll be a public revolution. Men in women's prisons? Fine. An X on their passport? Might as well ask them to adopt the Euro! The further this moves from the medical modal and the closer to NB/ Genderfluid bollocks, the easier it'll be to shoot down. No more "but lady brain science", no more "but dysphoria", just regular people's kids coming home from school to ask their tired stressed parents if they can be a boy one day and a girl the next and those parents (who don't really give a flying fuck even about the "real" trans people, much less this transcendent brain twattery") will go into schools and crucify the teachers until they purge it from the curriculum.

That's my hope anyway. No one outside the cult gives a shit about being a "cis ally". If they can wear a rainbow badge and virtue signal once a year then fine, but anything more active and they really aren't going to do it. Dicyphering that word salad is work that no one is going to do, so they'll just rip up the homework and shout at the teacher.

Monitors: Stop trying to make "cis" happen. It's never going to happen.

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2019 01:35

Cislation, is just a way of trying to vilify anyone who understands what propaganda is, and the forms it takes.

Its a defense against being called out as propaganda. Its utterly cultist to set up a defensive narrative in this way.

I'm grateful to anyone who picks apart the use of word salad language for this reason. All word salad is, is propaganda.

I'm a great believer that there is value in good communication where language is simple enough for the majority to understand but not so oversimplified as to render the message as distorted or to lose the importance of its content and meaning.

Communication is a skill. There is a fine balance to getting it right. People think its easy, and anyone can do it, but actually it's really difficult to do well.

Kinsters · 09/06/2019 04:29

Well that's nice for them that they're so boundless and special.

What I keep coming back to with all of this though is "but what about sex?". They can harp on all they like about gender and how their gender identity is special but what about sex? It's nonsensical how they're denying this physical reality that affects literally all animals on the planet.

FloralBunting · 09/06/2019 06:56

ByGrabthars, I think if the last few years have taught us anything, it's not to make assumptions about how far those tinkering with language can get. Sure, they're not going to change the minds of the general public with this any time soon - but they dont need to. They just need to Stephen Whittle it all in the private conversations in the small conference rooms with strategic people...

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OhHolyJesus · 09/06/2019 07:49

Great thread OP, language and meaning are sacred. I'm also a stickler for grammar so 'they' singular does not replace singular pronouns as a preferred pronoun.

I don't have anything to add this early on a Sunday, and not to derail, but if anyone fancies a Sunday night movie I watched Arrival recently. It's sci-fi but hinges on language, meaning, connections and understanding. It was quite thought provoking.

ILikeYourLittleHat · 09/06/2019 08:17

If transness can only be experienced by the trans
But if you say you're trans then that's probably what you are (I've seen this a lot on Twitter)
Then by saying we are trans we will understand transness in all its complexity

Great!

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