“These are not our crimes”. Male violence being recorded as female.

[Destinysdaughter]

This is from New Zealand but the same thing is starting to happen in the UK. We all know that males commit a much higher proportion of violent crimes than women do yet it’s now being both recorded and reported as female crimes. This bullshit has to stop!

speakupforwomen.nz/these-are-not-our-crimes/

I agree MsJeminaPuddleduck - Not our crimes just works for some reason.

Fundamentally, current UK law protects all females from ever being subjected to all and any treatment by "gender reassigned" people in all circumstances where there is the expectation of and demand for single sex spaces or treatment by females against their consent.

Equality Act 2010, Schedule 3, subsection 6 is sometimes overlooked:

(6) The condition is that—

(a) the service is provided for, or is likely to be used by, two or more persons at the same time, and

(b) the circumstances are such that a person of one sex might reasonably object to the presence of a person of the opposite sex.

This is especially relevant with reference to the provision of toilets, changing rooms etc for public use.

Equality Act 2010 Schedule 3 sub section 6 also has application when it comes to "mixed sex" wards in hospitals. [Note that "mixed gender" wards in hospitals has zero relevance in UK law.]

The NHS, in such circumstances is in breach of the law and should be sued as such!

For PP re NZ strangulation law. (5 men per day charged in our country of less than five million. Domestic violence is our shame.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12207929

www.google.com/amp/s/thespinoff.co.nz/society/07-12-2018/why-the-new-strangulation-law-matters/%3famp

Record crimes by sex and stupid gender then. The emerging picture will be enlightening I think.

Domestic violence is our shame.

Yes it is. I’m a New Zealander too and a victim of domestic violence as a child. The police were beyond hopeless... NZ is an absolute hell hole if you’re a woman, if you’re a Māori woman it’s even worse.

These are not our crimes.

Thanks Yeahnahyeah

Crimes should be recorded by sex.

Its bloody dangerous besides anything else too when descriptions are released telling people to look out for a six foot woman with a motor bike. No ones gonna be searching for a man then are they.

They literally care more about being woke than solving crimes, getting the correct information and keeping the public safe.

How many abducted peope are going to end up never found as search parties look for completely the wrong person

Isn't the the person with the hammer in Echo report one of the police's many 'advisers' on trans matters?

They should consider renaming the Transcrime website to These Are Not Our Crimes. It says it all and sounds less 'tabloid'.

It’s true that news reports call transwomen ‘transwomen’ if they are the victim of a crime, and call them ‘women’ if they are the perpetrator. Such double standards!

Such double standards!
How else do you maintain your victim status.

I'm a woman- gets treated as a woman ie ignored-i'm invisible cos in trans

I'm a victim- trans
I'm.a criminal-woman

Asked if trans in hospital- I'm a woman you trans phone.

Treated as a woman and ends up ill or dead due to tests read as womans results 'we need better healthcare we are dying.

Make your minds up...

I always wonder how on earth will the police organise an identity parade if the male offender is identified as a woman? Mind boggles....

From the link:

In fact, there seems to be some kind of significance to the choice of weapon. The Degenderettes, an international “genderqueer group”, are infamous for their posed images of transwomen with axes usually accompanied by blood and anti-women messaging.

Identifying as women, having a specifically anti woman motivation, being identified as women in the press, recorded as a female crime and campaigning to go to a female prison.

It's blatant manipulation. In fact it's beyond manipulation. It's like some awful malevolent game of chess with women as the deliberate victims.

I always wonder how on earth will the police organise an identity parade if the male offender is identified as a woman? Mind boggles

I'm also wondering if they would seriously put a family through hell bringing them in to identify a body .

" a woman matching your description has been brought in we need you to identify her"

They should consider renaming the Transcrime website to These Are Not Our Crimes. It says it all and sounds less 'tabloid'.

Apollo - this is a great idea

This is interesting in terms of UK law, from the Gender Recognition Act 2004, about disclosure of information relating to the status of a person; where disclosure is permitted:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/22#section-22-4

see especially subsections [e] and [f]

I think These are not our crimes is excellent.

I'm baffled that we seem to have sleepwalked into this mess, where men's crimes can be recorded in the women's crime figures, and the media reports the criminal as 'she'.

Leading to such reporting as: "She then exposed her penis..." It is madness-inducing.

Leading to such reporting as: "She then exposed her penis..." It is madness-inducing.

I suspect the writers (and readers), whilst doing a double take, don't actually fully appreciate the Rohypnol effect. It's slow and pervasive.

Yes, the Rohypnol article was very, very good. Spot on.

And .. don't forget ... if a GRC has not been issued all this reporting of crime in this way is unnecessary and is being done by institutional choice.

If there is no GRC the person is legally male and must be treated as such [and vice versa]. Given that circa 5000 GRCs have been issued since 2005 it seems likely that none of these criminals have a GRC.

See also, from GRA 2004 [section 22]:

"(4) But it is not an offence under this section to disclose protected information relating to a person if—

(c) the information is protected information by virtue of subsection (2)(b) and the person by whom the disclosure is made does not know or believe that a full gender recognition certificate has been issued,"

SNP MSP Joan McAlpine who asked a question on the issue at Holyrood said the justice secretary’s answer would leave many people “shocked” and could lead to concerns over the accuracy of recorded crime statistics.

Asked whether Police Scotland and the courts record incidents based on a suspect’s birth sex or by self-declaration, Mr Yousaf said: “With regard to victims, witnesses and suspects, Police Scotland and the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service record incidents according to a person’s self-identified gender.

“Police Scotland require no evidence or certification as proof of gender identity other than a person’s self declaration.

“Unless - and I think it’s important to emphasise this - it’s pertinent to any criminal investigation with which they are linked and it is evidentially critical that Police Scotland legally require this proof.”

Ms McAlpine responded: “I thank the Cabinet Secretary for that answer, but I think many people will be shocked to hear it.”

She said research from elsewhere had shown that male offending remained the same even if men self-declare themselves to be women and said criminologists had expressed concerns about “misleading” data.

She said: "The Cabinet Secretary will be aware that offending rates vary significantly according to biological sex, with males accounting for 84 per cent of violent crime and more than 95 per cent of sexual crime.

"Longitudinal studies (carried out) elsewhere suggest male-pattern offending remains the same even if men self-declare themselves to be women. So does the Cabinet Secretary agree with criminologists that it is misleading if data shows a rise in female sex offending, for example, including rape, when these crimes are actually committed by men?”

Mr Yousaf said there was no pattern of men self-identifying as women “to either commit sexual offences or indeed to manipulate statistics”. But he said he was willing to look at the issue in more detail.

“I meet with criminologists on regular occasions and none of them have raised this issue with me," he said. "If we should have an unexpected result, such as a rise in the number of women committing sexual offences, we would of course investigate further."

Richard Garside, director of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies, said: “I’m glad the justice secretary is open to learning more. It’s really important that crime statistics are based on objective criteria, independent of the persons subjective views and feelings. Classifying according to birth sex, rather than subjective feelings about the self, should therefore be the norm.”