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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

West Yorkshire Police campaign against DV

41 replies

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 02/06/2019 23:38

twitter.com/WestYorksOPCC/status/1134814353805500422

This episode of "missing the fucking point" was brought to you by everyone's favourite group of misogynists, the WYP.

OP posts:
LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/06/2019 23:43

Hey c’mon. She looks in real danger. You’re heartless...

terfsandwich · 02/06/2019 23:43

Bloody hell. If I lived in that area I'd leave.

ArcheryAnnie · 02/06/2019 23:57

Aren't they the police force with a terrible record of ignoring reports from women who are then subsequently killed by their male partners?

LassOfFyvie · 02/06/2019 23:58

It might just pass muster if it had been one in a series of posters to highlight that coercive behaviour doesn't mean physical abuse and that men can be victims of abuse but on its own it's appalling.

LassOfFyvie · 02/06/2019 23:59

Oh I see it is part of a series. On its own it was appalling.

SarahTancredi · 03/06/2019 00:03

Anyone else find the "I feel shes watching me even when I'm online " kinda ironic?

Are police forces going to report themselves for controlling behaviour after dictating what you can and cant think when you post on Twitter?

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 03/06/2019 00:13

Ah thanks Squidzilla in that context it makes sense. Still feel like it plays on the "nagging is emotional abuse" trope though. Obviously "I'm going to make your life hell" is unacceptable, but the first few texts just sound like the normal progression of texts if you didn't know where your partner was and they weren't replying to you!

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LimeKiwi · 03/06/2019 00:33

I've not seen any of the other posters, so unaware if it is one of a series.
I do know that I don't care which sex it's coming from, if it's abuse it's abuse.
I'm happy that this is my local regional force as they're clearly against discriminating against anyone.

Ereshkigal · 03/06/2019 01:12

Are police forces going to report themselves for controlling behaviour after dictating what you can and cant think when you post on Twitter?

Not just any police force (though all are guilty), but W Yorks specifically should hand themselves in.

SarahTancredi · 03/06/2019 08:57

I'm happy that this is my local regional force as they're clearly against discriminating against anyone

Except funnily enough they would see nothing wrong with those messages. Not until the person who receives them tweets a photo of them then they go after the victim not the person who sent the messages. And if course really the only thing they care about is whether or not the victim is using the correct pronouns.

I really wish they woukdnt do these posters and campaigns. Its unfair to make those who read them feel for even a second that wyp give a crap. Far more likely you end up with your phone confiscated so cant call for help when the abusive partner comes and beats u to death...

deydododatdodontdeydo · 03/06/2019 09:15

I don't see a problem with any of the posters.
People on the thread seem angry the poster isn't about murdered women, but then none of the other posters are either, even when the victims are female.
It seems like a lot of people are minimising controlling and non-physical abuse.

LangCleg · 03/06/2019 09:17

On its own it was appalling.

Yes. A complete bastardisation of what coercive control is. And a fucking gnat's wing from taking us back to the bad old days of the nagging and shagging defence. Not to mention that male pattern abuse often involves leveraging authorities such as the police by making counter and vexatious accusations.

This police force is not fit to protect and serve the women of West Yorkshire.

TheAngryLlama · 03/06/2019 09:19

I did used to live there and I did leave. Mainly because I hated it there (sorry Yorkshire people, I know there’s nice bits but come on ...) but the hapless fuckwits of WYP don’t improve matters,

TheAngryLlama · 03/06/2019 09:20

The street harassment of young women in Bradford when I was there was truly appalling. So many men who made the life if girls who dared to be in public space miserable. Dipshit coppers did nothing

theOtherPamAyres · 03/06/2019 09:57

THIS IS NOT WEST YORSKSHIRE POLICE, FFS

This is the Police and Crime Commissioner.
Not a police chief
Not involved in police operations
He's a politician elected by the people of West Yorkshire.
They can vote him out if they think that he's rubbish. .

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 03/06/2019 11:01

Oh, oops, my mistake!

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theOtherPamAyres · 03/06/2019 11:36

@ByGrab It's an easy mistake Grin

Police and Crime Commissioners make a habit of coming up with stupid ill-researched 'initiatives' off their own bat.

They have a budget to pump funds into organisations working on priority areas. Since West Yorkshire Police's Violence against Women and Girls strategy is doing so badly, you would think that he would be

(a) pressing the Chief Constable to improve or else sacking him/her
(b) pumping money into refuges, better training for police officers and a host of other things that might prevent murders, rapes and women's fear of crime.

But no, he diverts money to another area and puts out an insulting poster that demonstrates a lack of understanding. FFS.

Michelleoftheresistance · 03/06/2019 11:55

Can someone who is on Twitter tweet this across to Karen Ingala Smith please?

She seems someone who will make good and thorough use of it.

DpWm · 03/06/2019 12:33

ByGrab
This isn't a campaign about DV. Domestic Violence is different.
It's a campaign about Domestic Abuse which includes a wide range of behaviours such as controlling/coersive behaviors and verbal abuse not just violence.

40% of victims of domestic abuse are men. It wouldn't be right to focus solely on female victims.

Victims of domestic violence are overwhelmingly female, and can escalate to murder and obviously needs to be taken very seriously but this campaign is not about that. I presume there are other campaigns focusing on DV.

theOtherPamAyres · 03/06/2019 13:02

40% of victims of domestic abuse are men.

I don't know where you get this figure from, please provide the source.

I think you'll find that when you go back to the source it will refer to men who as children lived in homes where a man abused their mother. It will include gay men in abusive relationships.

Male violence then. Unless you can show that there has been a huge spike in violence by women on men. 40%? I don't think so.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/06/2019 13:08

Mm! Fuck that!

ALL of the other posters cold have had people of either sex in the pictures, either sex being the abuser.

But that one, the one with the man as the victim just had to have 'nagging' as the vehicle of abuse, didn't it? That'll really make any male DV victim feel safe and supported when he steps forward and reports it.

As others have said, it reinforces so many fucking stereotypes, makes the old excuse for much male violence and does just about zero for any man who is being coercively controlled and abused.

SarahTancredi · 03/06/2019 13:15

As others have said, it reinforces so many fucking stereotypes, makes the old excuse for much male violence and does just about zero for any man who is being coercively controlled and abused

There seems to be so many campaigns that either just victim blame or enforce stereotypes or are so I'll thought out thet are offensive

Instructing women to stay in groups and walk each other home- how does the last one get home?

1 out of three rapes happen when drunk- pass the vodka then cos 2 clearly happen when sober I dont wanna take any chances ...

Anyone remember the one asking if you chose birthday gifts or birthday fists... that one was classic

Does no one ever think about the message they are actually sending out.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 03/06/2019 15:06

I'm surprised by the reactions on this thread. The poster does illustrate controlling and coercive behaviour - it is a series of escalating texts, culminating in a threat. All because the man has gone out. That is a pattern that is seen in abusive relationships.

A PP was challenged for saying that 40% of domestic abuse victims are men. The nunbers fluctuate a bit, but are generally around the level of one in three victims being male. That's an ONS stat from the British Crime Survey and Crime Survey of England & Wales. It's a fact. I should know. I'm one of those men.

My ex wife statted with jealous, insecure, and controlling behaviour. The terrible rages if I had to work away, because I might meet someone. The anger if I spoke to any woman. Even the jealousy of our own kids. I recognise the pattern of texts in the poster. And, eventually, I was assaulted twice by her. The behaviour that it describes IS part of abusive behaviour. And it does follow the escalatory pattern of DA, which can so easily end in violence.

Personally, I welcome the poster. And I'm the target audience. You aren't. Anything that helps men to know that they can, and often are, victims of domestic abuse, and they don't have to live with it, is welcome. 1 in 4 women will be a victim of DA in their lifetime. So will 1 in 6 men. We're entitled to support, too.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/06/2019 15:15

I think we all got that, really we did. If you read round here a lot you will see lots of posters, GC feminists included, decrying the lack of support for male victims of DV.

But the specific police force has other longstanding issuesa round its treatment of women and that mean many women are watching them closely. This poster is, I think, poorly thought out. Reinforces too many stereotypes. They could have changed the female victim in any of the other posters, the straplines there were in no way stereotypical and would apply to both sexes. But the 'nagging' in that one, from my perspective, belittles the issue entirely.