violence against Indigenous women, girls, and 2SLGBTQQIA people

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I thought this was entirely about sexual violence towards women? Wonder if any of those murdered or dissapeared didn't consider themselves women?

Link?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48481958

Sorry, link here.

I would like to correct myself. I thought this was about racist violence and sexual violence against women and girls who are native Canadians.

I thought it was too after reading and watching previous documentaries on this.

Wtf is 2SLGBTQQIA

two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual

Guardian

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/31/canada-missing-indigenous-women-cultural-genocide-government-report

Using that term is unfair as clearly the violence is against them because they're female and indigenous and its extremely unclear as to how they identified- eg lesbians? Was it therefore homophobic? Intersex is obviously not identifiable and is a reality. If trans then that is significant too; ftm? So the violence still biological sex based?

Yes, i think adding 2SLGBTQQIA is irrelevant and distracting.

Not to mention 2S is a highly contentious term and viewed as cultural appropriation by many aboriginal peoples.

I did wonder if the 2S was included simply as Canada obviously is the home to indigenous people who may have used that phrase?

But it's still pretty irrelevant unless the motives were homophobia or another hate in addition to simply being indigenous and female.

Really the point is here, it didn't matter how they 'identified,' they died because they were female and indigenous.

That's where an intersection is an important distinction and why it's being termed genocide.

Precisely neurotrash

That was a weird read, both articles. The people involved in highlighting the missing women say 'women and girls' all the time, for decades. They talk about their wives, their daughters all the time. So the grass roots awareness raising has been about indigenous women being murdered.

But.... The report acknowledged disagreements over what constituted genocide, but concluded: "The national inquiry's findings support characterizing these acts, including violence against Indigenous women, girls, and 2SLGBTQQIA [two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual] people, as genocide."

They quibbled over 'genocide' and then slung in a whole new cohort of people so as not to be talking about women!

This is one of the linked articles and is an interesting read.

BBC News - Why I failed to catch Canada's worst serial killer
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38796464

Crikey! Very harrowing to read that!

I remember reading that one in particular and that the officer is now a trans man.

I read an article about this a while ago in neither of the above and it only mentioned women and girls. May have been NYTimes.

I remember that the indigenous women of Vancouver campaigning for justice last year expressed dismay at Amnesty International's involvement

Not to mention the fact that 2 spirit isn't even universal across the indigenous peoples of north America. I don't know much about Canadian first nations, but a friend who's an anthropology prof has talked to me a lot about 2 spirit people - often it goes with very fixed behaviour roles associated with sex, and furthermore, with a lack of political power for women (the Iroquois - who I think do extend up into south east Canada, to a contrasting example, have very rigidly designated roles for the two sexes, but still give women considerable, in fact pretty much equal political say - and they do not have a "third gender")

That's interesting fermats, thanks.

Not wishing to derail but it's very much how I feel we see trans playing out in our current western culture; rigid gender stereotypes or gender sex roles create a desire to be the other in some people.

Remember people, when you're talking about a genocide of women and girls, the story isn't complete until you shoehorn in the hurt feelings of Oger, Yaniv, and the rest of them.

Is terms of seriousness, dead women and misgendered transwomen are effectively the same.

I’m so angry on behalf of these women and girls. All that their people have gone through and are still going through.

How do you destroy a people? You kill and / or rape their women.

I didn’t read the link - but do recall that there was a news story a while ago about their being almost an epidemic of of native Canadian women (don’t know that they ‘correct’ term is) who just disappear and are never found (which implies murder).

The 2SLGBTQQIA are an endangered first nation people in West Greenland, now found mostly on the council estates of Copenhagen because the walrus have gone away.

That's right Fekko - the levels of violence against indigenous women are horrific. It's an absolute scandal, and one which the Canadian establishment is doing very little to address despite making all the right noises.

Who is doing this though? Is there a pattern?

And Canada is too busy with the boys these days. Can’t have a boy snagging a nail now can we?

That's the million dollar question, isn't it, Fekko?

Apols, Vice article, but has interesting stats:
www.vice.com/da/article/bn57vd/hundreds-of-aboriginal-women-are-being-murdered-in-canada-and-no-one-knows-why-0000311-v21n5?utm_source=viceadwordsca&utm_medium=cpc

There is a massive problem for all women and girls in Canada, with indigenous women massively over-represented in the statistics. But no mention of who the perpetrators might be (I think given what we know of violent and sexual offending figures worldwide, we can safely assume that they will be male). The fact that the article opens with the story of a PhD student researching the issue, an indigenous woman herself, murdered, her body dumped on a highway, suggests that it's random violence and any woman could be caught up in it. There is (as far as I can see) no suggestion of it being linked to domestic violence and partner murder, or prostitution (the normal risk factors).

But you're right - all the coverage is curiously lacking in any attempt to identify patterns in what the perpetrators are doing. Again, men are strangely absent from the story, which is almost treated like an epidemic or natural disaster. The flack is aimed entirely at law enforcement agencies for poor clear up rates allegedly motivated by racism (which is probably true) - but the actual perpetrators are not in the narrative at all.