Wagamama and gender neutral toilets

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40% of wagamama’s toilets will be gender neutral by September. The last thing I want to do when I go out for a meal is share the facilities with men. We are different and deserve privacy! How have women’s interests become such a low priority?

You've claimed that a "confined" corridor leaves a restaurant "open to" liability under the EA, but an open corridor is fine. To support this you've claimed that the SOA provides that an "organisation that enforces confinement of females in a constricted space with males is open to a charge of facilitating sexual offence should that occur."

But the SOA contains absolutely no provisions relating to organisations "confining" people," "constricted spaces" nor the offence of "facilitating sexual offence" that you claim exists.

You are arguing that because organisations are required to conduct a H&S assessment as a term of their insurance policy, that somehow means that an underlying criminal offence exists under the SOA and that somehow that links to the Equality Act?

Any claim by a customer relating to Sexual Assault on business premises would be a civil claim in negligence, not a criminal claim under the SOA. That is what the risk assessment relates to. The existence of a possible civil claim, could negligence be proven, has nothing at all to do with the EA and certainly doesn't tell us anything about the sort of corridors that are ok.

Dearie me!

Cohle Civil law sometimes imposes itself on criminal law and vice versa. This is exactly where issues of "negligence arise.

Civil law cannot ignore criminal law.

Yes of course they interact, that is what I have just said. That doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on your still totally unsubstantiated claims that only certain types of corridor are allowed under the Equality Act. Dearie me!

I have been trying really hard to keep up with this thread but I am totally lost, but if we are now talking about toilets off corridors not being acceptable (or legal, getting confused) then that is pretty much every toilet set up in public.

I regularly use the facilities at a major supermarket (it is our motorway stop off point) to get to the ladies you have to walk down a corridor, someone could easily be pulled into the baby change that is lockable. What's the difference?

But @JackyHolyoake you started off by saying these toilets contravened the EA, then when challenged you started bringing up the SOA and then when questioned about that you referred to insurance claims. You don't seem able to pin point where in law these contraventions are occuring.

If unisex single occupancy toilets are illegal then all accessible toilets are illegal as are all small businesses that only have 1 toilet. That simply isn't true. Unisex toilets aren't illegal.

The fact that some people don't want them is a different matter.

you started off by saying these toilets contravened the EA, then when challenged you started bringing up the SOA and then when questioned about that you referred to insurance claims. You don't seem able to pin point where in law these contraventions are occurring.

If I recall correctly my starting point was to point out that that ss6 of Section 27 in the Equality Act gives people the legal right to object to a member of the opposite sex in what is expected to be a single sex space. I also said that if service providers are imposing mixed sex spaces / services on people they leave themselves open to complaint and possibly even a claim of sex discrimination.

Regardless, most people will do neither and will just "vote with their feet" and go elsewhere. A boycott can be a very useful tool.

But it's your interpretation of what constitutes a single sex space that is the problem.

I really can't see how a corridor outside of a single use toilet could ever be considered a single sex space. How then, could anyone have a reasonable expectation that it is a single sex space?

You are using legislation incorrectly to support an argument which is, basically, you don't like these toilet arrangements. In which case just say that.

I really can't see how a corridor outside of a single use toilet could ever be considered a single sex space. How then, could anyone have a reasonable expectation that it is a single sex space?

May I respectfully suggest that you return to page 17, which is the page from where my posts start and read again all the posts I wrote. The explanation you need is there.

Yeah, I read it, including your assertion that a company could be charged with facilitating a sexual offence. All you've done is regurgitated and misinterpreted legislation. You are simply wrong.

I do not need any man to explain the law to me thank you.

Lucky there isn't a man explaining it to you then isn't it?

Do you not realise how inherently sexist it is to assume that any poster who doesn't agree with you simply has to be a man? You did it with PCohle too. Do you assume that all women think the same and that automatically everyone who thinks differently has to be a man?

Very odd way to view people isn't it?

I’m a woman and a lawyer and your understanding of the law seems garbled to me, sorry.

I do, however, hate the idea of mixed sex toilets so we agree on that.

JackyHolyoake
I do not need any man to explain the law to me thank you

Well you might well do when your interpretation of it is so wrong. You have made the ridiculous assumptions that (a) anyone disagreeing with you is a man and (b) a man should have no right to point out your interpretation is wrong.

I'm female and a solicitor.

Well you might well do when your interpretation of it is so wrong.

So, what exact part of my interpretation is incorrect please?

It has already been explained to you.

I don't believe it has been explained at all. Please enlighten me. Exactly what part of my interpretation is incorrect please? Thank you.

It has been explained at length by other posters. How many times does it have to be repeated?

Then you will allow me to disagree since I do not believe it has been explained where my interpretation is incorrect. Thank you.

In Costa's mixed sex toilet...coming to a Wagamama's near you soon!

"The device, in the branch's sole unisex toilet, was securely attached with straps and had four small LED lights on the front."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48647089

Some cameras are better disguised, looking like screws etc.

Shocked and surprised, who ever could have foreseen such a thing happening? Oh wait - everyone sensible.

Don’t be silly shouldbecooking, this never happens

In Costa's mixed sex toilet...coming to a Wagamama's near you soon!

Colour me shocked.

Www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/17343480.pervert-filmed-women-as-they-use-toilet-in-dunfermline-pub-and-sports-centre/

Langcleg - "coming to a wagamamas near you"... ok course it is or a Wotherspoons!

I went to my local theatre Friday night. New signs posted on each door of male and female toilets that this is a "gender neutral space" and anyone who self identifies as male or female free to enter. I think this is probably the solution to the problem as I didn't see any blokes queuing in the female line for the ladies.