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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dominic Raab: "It shouldn't be easier to change your gender"

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Micaela64 · 30/05/2019 16:09

Anyone know what the other Tory leadership candidates have to say on this topic?

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dominic-raab-feminist_uk_5ceedcc5e4b0508c91e10a46

The MP also said it should not be made easier to change your gender, adding it was important to be “very careful” about young people who express that desire.

He responded: “I certainly don’t think I want to make it easier. I think you need to be very careful with people of that age.

"I want everyone to feel comfortable in their own skin. But I do worry a little bit with some of this debate - whether it is in relation to vulnerable women in prisons or children in school - that we take a careful, balanced approach because we need to be a society which is small-L liberal, if you like, which is tolerant and warm to the LGBT community.

"Whereas I also worry about the vulnerability of other people, whether it is women in prisons or children at a very tender age in school, so we need to get the balance right.”

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Micaela64 · 30/05/2019 16:10

Urgh, can a mod fix the title please. I don't know why the quote marks have turned into the word quote!

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AncientLights · 30/05/2019 16:27

So this is the man who was being rude about feminism the other day? I note he only worries 'a bit' about this debate (is there one?) with regard to children and also women in prison. If he had any sense at all he'd be as worried as we are. Still, a step in the right direction I suppose.

Lumene · 30/05/2019 16:32

Dominic Raab is pretty awful.

I agree with him on those points.

Rory Stuart has presided over prisons where there have been some interesting goings on in this area.

Penny Mordaunt - we all know her views and they aren’t positive for women or reality or safeguarding as far as I can see.

Gove - married to someone with GC views but not sure what his are.

Not sure on others. Anyone else know?

Needmoresleep · 30/05/2019 16:44

I hate to say it but I think the only hope is the Tories not imploding.

I can't see any Momentum backed Labour Government doing much for women. (Or the economy!)

Over the past year I have found myself reading all sorts of new sources, so Lils Madigan ranting about "The Conservative Woman" had me googling. They have a problem with an article sympathetic to Lewis Moodie, but whilst searching I found an older article which provides a good summary of the issue.

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lefts-transgender-obsession-no-laughing-matter/

I do hope that Conservative candidates read The Conservative Woman, or The Times, or indeed the Daily Mail. It is the right of centre press who have got it.

Good news though that at least one candidate has raised it. Better if this leads to a GC consensus in the Tory Party. Then the other parties will need to consider whether a rigid TWAW will help them win votes, given 80+% of voters don't believe it.

Needmoresleep · 30/05/2019 16:50

Moonie not Moodie.

Snapespeare · 30/05/2019 17:16

Well, I simply can't understand why there doesn't seem to be an orchestrated social media pile-on demanding that he be stripped of office or forced to apologise. I can't think for the life of me why he isn't being hounded for this....what could it possibly be?

Mxyzptlk · 30/05/2019 17:23

Hmm I wonder.

Micaela64 · 30/05/2019 17:36

Not sure on others. Anyone else know?

I've just been looking. Not a lot out there but here's what I could find of the ones who've not already been mention:

Boris Johnson on gender critical people being arrested:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/10/police-wasting-time-arresting-twitter-transphobes-could-tackling/

“Are you really telling me that it is a sensible ordering of priorities to round up Twitter-borne transphobes and chuck them in the clink, when violence on the streets would seem to be getting out of control? Is this really the right way to fight crime? Is this what our brave police officers signed up to do? It's a peculiar abuse of manpower"

Sajid Javid

"The Gender Recognition Act reform is a historic moment, says Sajid Javid www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/18/sajid-javid-historic-gender-recognition-act-consultation/

Jeremy Hunt

Jeremy Hunt responds to anti-LGBT group that wants to ban transgender teen treatments www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/02/20/jeremy-hunt-responds-to-anti-lgbt-group-that-wants-to-ban-transgender-teen-treatments/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=PinkNews&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1519200443

Matt Hancock

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has indicated that NHS policies which allow transgender patients to be cared for on women's wards, even if they have not undergone medical transition, are being reviewed: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/04/nhs-review-transgender-policies/

Others

Can't find anything on James Cleverly, Kit Malthouse or Rory Stewart's views. Esther McVey and Andrea Leadsom I can only find stuff about them being sceptical about LGBT teaching in schools.

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Needmoresleep · 30/05/2019 19:06

Well it looks as if Esther McVeyhas waded straight into a row on LGBT lessons in primary schools. Interesting to see if the male contenders pick up the same level of flack from their female colleagues. I suspect not.

mol.im/a/7086217

Gone2far · 30/05/2019 19:10

Sky has chosen to say
Tory leader hopeful Esther McVey has angered people over LGBTQ education stance but didn't specify what people.

TheAngryLlama · 30/05/2019 19:15

I am (full disclosure time) a Conservative party member and I will have a vote in the leadership election so this is useful info.
Penny moron whoops I meant Mordaunt will not get my vote even if the baby eating bishop of bath and Wells gets after me with his poker.

Needmoresleep · 30/05/2019 20:00

The Mail is not as reticent. Justine Greening and Amber Rudd. I am not sure why Justine, who is lesbian, feels the need to educate primary aged children about transgenderism against the wishes of their parents. Especially if that education has been designed by Mermaids or similar. Perhaps she has not worked out that this issue is more than woke signalling.

Jasging · 30/05/2019 20:18

This is the first useful thing I've heard him say - hope it continues.

LeftHandDown · 30/05/2019 23:15

Cleverly is in favour of self ID; believes it's personal choice, personal decision, individual responsibility!

Men abusing women in toilets/changing rooms should be dealt with, but not by making things harder for trans.

I recall him on the Question Time programme re trans with Shami Chakrabarti et al saying his son's have trans identifying people at their school and they don't have a problem!

I can't see that he would be any less dismissive of women's rights today

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/19/question-time-trans-woman-applause-question-time-speech/

Snapespeare · 31/05/2019 06:50

Why is it when people have trans friends who are lovely (I am genuinely sure that they are) this can be extrapolated against the whole of trans people, but when you point out the Karen Whites of this world, without wishing to say that all trans people are a risk, you are a hateful bigot. Cleverly's children's friends are Cleverly's children's friends, no more or less representative of trans children or teenagers as a group of people.

For a politician to lack concern at the numbers of children seeking to identify out of their biological sex is a worry.

Jux · 31/05/2019 12:39

When it was Creationism vs Science, people didn't have a problem coming down in favour of Science and chasing the Creationists away - especially when Creationists were trying to get it taught alongside science in school (as an alternative theory Grin).

Why are people so happy to ignore science now, when the principal is pretty much the same? And when STEM subjects and critical thinking are apparently so important to be pushed in school?

RedToothBrush · 31/05/2019 19:22

Dominic Raab would do things like abolish maternity leave and workers rights given half the chance. He doesn't believe in the Human Rights Act either.

So I don't really give a fuck what his opinion is on this subject because he's not going to help make life easier or safer or in any way better for women.

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