When will the consultation on the GRA report?

[StealthPolarBear]

It opened in July 2018 and closed in october

Also very keen to know

The twelfth of never?

Very likely

I want to know this too. They can't possibly pretend it never happened?

I reckon they're hanging on for some major Brexit chaos.

If we reach the point of leaving and there's rioting in the streets, food shortages, planes grounded etc...look out for a teeny article hidden on page 9 of The Guardian announcing that self ID has passed and how it's a truly good thing!

I'm only half joking.

My guess is that if the responses had been in the majority supportive of it they would have published it by now. I'm assuming there was a lot of opposition and they are now wondering how the hell they can make it all go away.

Ooh you two are so cynical

Did anyone ask Penny Mordaunt during the web chat, and did she give an answer? I had a quick look but couldn't find it.

That's my worst case scenario too, OvaHere. I can't quite joke about it, there having been so many political shocks in recent times.

I'm unsettled - and re-galvanised - by City of London's decision to chuck women under the bus, at the behest of charming 'feminist' warrior E. Lord.

I hope you're right Bluestitch, in which case the deafening silence could be interpreted as positive - just the soft sound of wind whistling in the long grass...

I'll bet there's a German word for the feeling of intense political uncertainty - not knowing which direction things are moving.

IIRC, it was supposed to be spring 2019 and we've only a few days of that left... I think Penny M made a vague reference to it in her LGBT speech a little while ago. I'd guess the trans lobby will be pushing hard for it.

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I'll bet there's a German word for the feeling of intense political uncertainty - not knowing which direction things are moving."
I think they have a phrase for it, similar to ours actually. It's something like "fukken Brexit"
Not sure how it translates

It'll never be published because it wasn't the result they wanted.

They can't possibly pretend it never happened?

They will ignore it, it's what happens when you have a top down push, the public are not really involved.

I think the word you're looking for is Brexitbeschissenheit

I'd guess the trans lobby will be pushing hard for it.

I don't know if they are. I think the government and tra were assuming it would go unnoticed like the original GRA. If self id is implemented with publicity, it could backfire and the EA would be used more to protect women and girls.

I've noticed a push for 'gender Identity' to be included in the EA now.

I don't think they'll push for it.

Self I.D through the backdoor is here. Right now.

Self I.D through the backdoor is here. Right now.

^ This is 100% correct, and it comes down to the public protecting each other because no government bodies are going to.

We are starting to see it already.

Agreed - the government is implementing self ID at the behest of the trans lobby right now - in open defiance of the Equality Act. A woman running an "alleged" democratic consultation would never have been able to dismiss the responses that they didn't like - as happened with the Corporation of London consultation about mixed sex toilets / facilities.

I also think the consultation did not deliver the 'right' result. It normally takes about 3 months for a government department to produce a summary of a consultation and the government's response.

It was only recently when I read posts here that I realised it was not the law that someone with a GRC was not necesarily able to access services for their preferred gender

StealthPolarBear ahagwearsapointybonnet snort
Trust Mnetters to know that.

Hmm so, reading the thoughts on this thread, first we wait a few days to see whether they cough up the consultation report. And if they've fudged it to throw women under the bus, because it's convenient, we find a new way to fight Self-ID and any attempts to introduce gender identity as a new protected characteristic (tough for the TRAs, as their skullduggery is all out in the open now).

If, on the other hand, the report accurately reflects women's concerns and steers away from Self-ID and/or introducing gender identity as a new protected characteristic, what remains is to unpick the damage done at local level, a long-term grassroots project, presumably assisted by updated guidance from central govt (is it too much to expect that the institutions captured by trans ideology will have been deprogrammed by engaging with GC objections??).

We can effect change in our immediate environment, by word of mouth, offline. And campaigning groups and individuals can continue to haul that Overton window back in the direction of sanity, until every last proponent of postmodernist/queer politics looks like the bot they are and cease to be published in left-liberal media.

I can't help thinking that, having spent a good deal of time and energy on the defensive, it would be invigorating for GCs to push forward with some active demands of our own...

But I agree with truthisarevolutionaryact - the CoL rubber stamping E.Lord's insultation has rattled me.

KatvonHostileExtremist CaptainKirksSpookyghost but hasn't the tide turned against TRAs somewhat? Self-ID is has become normal, via the backdoor, in woke urban enclaves, but not across the board. I've noticed it continue to advance, but in other areas - women's sport, for example - it appears to be retreating.

Seeing as we are the beginning of a wave, the ideas we put forth are going be the new mainstream before too long (if we keep up the pressure).

Good grief, I keep churning out these looong posts. I blame Monday night.

hasn't the tide turned against TRAs somewhat?

Because the public are informing the public, we won't shut up.
No one at the top is with us.

The government are probably looking for a meaningless sleight of hand they can offer while punching us in the stomach with Self ID.

We're told the EA2010 won't be changed, but organisations have already removed sex and replaced it with gender, orgs misunderstand what gender reassignment means. What have the gov actually done to ensure organisations comply with the EA? Sweet FA, their inaction and silence is enabling Self ID through the back door.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost David Davies? I keep expecting more to come out as GC, but Brexitgeschissenheit (?) is an excuse to remain hidden.

Someone was noting that TRA twitter is less confident than it was in 2018, that some are beginning to distance themselves, and to turn on one another (the inevitable destination for those who mistook the legal analytic theory of intersectionality for a viable way to gain power in daily life). Is this so?

LeftHandDown that possibility makes me feel sick - I'm braced for it. Here - have some free tampons while we strike your sex-based rights from the record. I agree that their silence has been enabling self-ID through the back door, and it's grim to think that we might have to keep chopping off the heads of this hydra as they multiply and re-grow.

I don't want to believe the government won't, at some point in the very near future, acknowledge women's existing rights. That would be too much. It would stop looking like failure of oversight/institutional capture, and start to look like an outright attempt to grab the power women have managed to obtain.

I want to believe there are still enough principled and decent people in government that they would not knowingly attack women's rights. I do believe that.

I hope you're right Pinchpoint, I really do, but I despair at the lilly livered politicians we have. Gilligan and Kirkup have both mentioned politicians have raised concerns privately, but where are they publically?

All politicians are leaving Joan McAlpine and Joanna Cherry to take all the flak in Scotland; they may be getting support from their colleagues behind the scenes, but they're still happy to leave those two exposed to the abuse for questioning policies other politicians have had a hand in creating and pushing through.

Everytime another peak is arises I think surely one or two are going to break ranks, yet political silence prevails.

Stonewall are asking people to write to their MP in favour of self id. They make it sounds like some legislation is being brought forward, but it could equally mean they are worried it will be kicked into the long grass as they say.

www.stonewall.org.uk/write-your-mp-today

I was thinking that with Brexit now isn't the best time to start on MPs again (I wrote to mine during the consultation) but maybe we should.