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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sunday Times Phoebe Waller Bridge

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tobee · 19/05/2019 00:16

Trying to read the Sky news papers front pages for tomorrow's Sunday Times.

Can't get it to expand on my phone and be completely legible, but looks interesting....

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RJnomore1 · 19/05/2019 00:40

I remember feeling exactly like thar

Antibles · 19/05/2019 00:50

Good stuff. Very refreshing and necessary.

I see underneath there's a link to another article, entitled:
Fur flies over ‘Brazilian’ wax for trans woman Jessica Yaniv

tobee · 19/05/2019 01:06

Thanks for sharing Badger. That makes it somewhat easier to read!

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Messyisthenewtidy · 19/05/2019 01:13

Quite clever in that she's not saying anything that transactivists can get annoyed at but still making the point.

ChattyLion · 19/05/2019 07:24

Agree that that was very well couched so I hope she won’t get the horrific pile on.

She’s a massive international name now in film and tv so I really don’t think that this can be the end of this subject. I think PWB is very bright and thoughtful and will know what she’s doing and saying around this.

Asked whether her boyish ways would mean that she would be considered trans if she was a child today, Waller-Bridge said: “I mean there’s the tomboy kind of thing . . . I was very fervent about it when I was younger.

“It was like I just desperately wanted to be a boy more than anything else. If it had been taken seriously by my school or something or those options had been given to me, I probably would’ve jumped at it.”

Her five-year phase of wanting to be a boy ended aged 11 when she went to boarding school and asked friends and family to start calling her Phoebe again. “I went to a boarding school for a year and a half, two years,” she told America’s NPR radio. “I wasn’t thinking about either being a boy or being a girl. But then I discovered boys in a big way. And one in particular — I remember meeting a boy and then suddenly becoming really aware that I looked sort of boyish myself and that he probably didn’t like that. And that was the kind of crossover point.”

Concluding point of the article:

She said she still has “the same impulse” to be a boy “all the time”. “I still feel more comfortable in a hoodie and jeans than I ever do in little kitten heels and a flowy skirt,” she said.

So just a very gently-made but clear point, familiar to many, about the bullshit that is sex stereotypes and how common it is to feel that way as a girl or woman.

I really hope she isn’t piled on to and made to recant somehow. It has happened with celebrities before.

In the meantime... hopeful...Brew

LangCleg · 19/05/2019 07:47

Two very carefully written articles in the Times today then!

Hope Waller Bridge doesn't get a pile on.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 19/05/2019 08:26

Brave and smart woman.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/05/2019 09:17

Another thread started on this, I just posted there...

Yes. But it's notable that what she says made her stop wanting to be a boy was 'discovering boys' and that she realised they probably wouldn't like her boyish appearance. Lesbian teenagers are more at risk of doubling down.

panelledreverie · 19/05/2019 09:24

I went through a huge feeling of revulsion a lot getting boobs and hair, this does need to be talked about more, that many girls don’t feel conventionally girly for many stretches of time. Another reason to love PWB.

AlwaysComingHome · 19/05/2019 10:13

Is there a way for MN to merge duplicate threads? It’s too good a story to be split.

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