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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Government is looking at Gender Stereotyping too. I'm suspicious about this bandwagon.

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theOtherPamAyres · 17/05/2019 16:53

Hot on the heels of the Fawcett survey, the Women and Equalities Department announced today (17/05/19) that it would commissioning research into Body Image and gender stereotyping.

I was already getting a funny feeling about the drivers behind the Fawcett survey and today's announcement makes me even more suspicious about the ubiquity of 'gender stereotyping' in the public domain.

While completing the Fawcett survey, I got the feeling that there was a ready-made, quick win, unthreatening range of measures that was looking for a problem to solve.

The measures would require the Women and Equalities Department to bring together stakeholders, manufacturers and retailers of children's films, games, toy, clothes and shoes, to improve choice. .

Easy peasy quick wins, with some positive outcomes for government and businesses. Hurrah

Fair enough and good luck to you, Fawcett and W&E Department - but don't pretend that tackling 'gender stereotyping' in consumer goods is the reason why there is misogyny, violence against women, or sexist structures preventing women's participation in various walks of life.

Anyone else getting the feeling that the inclusive notion of 'gender stereotyping' is being viewed as a simplisitic silver bullet to tackle all our woes?

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clitherow · 21/05/2019 07:54

I agree. Ideas are like magnetic waves that crash through human society. They gather together people who seem to benefit from what is happening, so for instance people who like sadomasochistic sex whilst dressed in animal suits or paedophiles are salivating at the moment. They see the destruction of the moral order of Queer Theory as an opportunity to legitimise their deviant desires. Much sadder are those people who get sucked in because of their own fragile personalities, mental health problems and personal trauma. So the Lily Madigans of this world may be very irritating and a real cause of disruption to many people but they are riding the crest of a wave that is effectively using them. When the wave crashes onto the rocks - they will more than likely crash and burn with it. In the meantime, there are real beneficiaries of what is going on - the sell-out academics who refuse to see the truth, the useful idiot scientists that can't see beyond their own careers and so on. But the real "winners" will be those who own and control the new technologies.

I believe that the trans wave and the whole ridiculous debate about gender stereotypes is an outrageous attempt at mass brainwashing. "They" have currently got people getting their knickers in a twist trying to prove that biological sex differences only exist in areas that they want them to exist - sport for instance but that all other differences are just "social constructs" - as far as I understand the science of the moment this is nonsense.

Do sex differences exist between xx people and xy people - yes
Do these differences exist in a physical, emotional and psychological sense - yes
Can science adequately quantify these differences - no
Is the whole picture confused by the fact that there are great physical, emotional and psychological variations within xx and xy categories - yes.
Is there an innate biologically based difference between the sexes or is this primarily a social construct - we could ask David Reimer if he were still alive.

But hey, let's keep arguing about gender as a social construct while the corporations run massive real world experiments on an unsuspecting public and redefine what it is to be human.

LeftHandDown · 23/05/2019 00:00

I’ve had a dive into Methods of Social Control/Engineering, it’s all over the trans agenda, but to what end? There’s certainly elements of Eugenics involved, there’s also a cross over with genetic tinkering; not just with humans, but also with crop growth and food production, apparently the EU are currently being pressured to relax their restrictions on pesticide use and also reduce the controls on introducing pesticides to the environment, pesticides that may not only eradicate the pest it is directed at, but causes cancer or other conditions in humans, if they create issues further up the food chain …., scientists/medicine will deal with that as it arises! The UK is also being targeted so we can receive US food imports after Brexit. Presumably the same pressure could be applied in regard to increasing vaccinations and using 'off label' drugs on the population.

Social Engineering is done via Education, the Media and Technology and are employed to influence individual thoughts, culture and society. People may be forced to conform into believing the new truth initially, but after a while those coming after will obey and accept the new ‘truth’ without question, believing what is currently promoted is the truth and it has always been the truth.

Civil obedience is encouraged, engineered and enforced by the ruling class, the ruling class aren’t necessarily politicians/government, though governments have their uses in enforcing civil obedience and belief through policies, misinformation, appearing visibly generous while taking from elsewhere; I'd argue Penny Mordant/The Gov have done this in respect of the Equality Act 2010, where we are told changes will not be made to alter the Protected Characteristics, however no move had been made to enforce compliance of the EA2010 despite it being widely know among GC circles, though not the wider public, that they are incorrectly applied, even within gov dept's.

Tyranny flows downwards from large individual benefactors, to middling then small beneficiaries, then to all the dregs, deviants and those who think they will benefit from promoting the tyranny of the individual benefactor. With each group clinging onto and trying to curry favour from their benefactor or those who are seen to wield more power and influence; these servants lead fearful and unhappy lives, fawning to the elite for validation, medication, surgery and acceptance. They have a degree of detachment from reality and believe they are working towards being free individuals, whereas the reality is they are becoming increasingly enslaved to the current narrative.

Arendt expresses a similar narrative ‘In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true... The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness. (Arendt Origins of Totalitarianism).

Opposition to the Social Engineering and the ‘new truth’ highlights the failings within the narrative, but push back using a counter argument and exposing the propaganda can be unsuccessful because the public are not interested in the nuances of the debate or even seeking out to see if there is a counter argument themselves. Opponents to the ‘new truth’ don’t have access to the education, media or laws that will help them get their voices into the public, even when access is achieved the public can be bamboozled by ‘experts’ employed by the tyrant/state who muddy the waters by providing misleading information and spurious arguments, serving to misinform the public and lull them into acceptance and their own servitude.

Without knocking what is currently being done to raise public awareness are there other ways we can challenge the erosion of women's rights?

I came across an interesting discourse by Etienne de la Boethe (1552/53), that was said to have influence Galton and his views on Eugenics. After the atrocities of the Third Reich during WW2, eugenics became a dirty word though the idea persisted with ‘Transition’ becoming the preferred term.

This passage struck me given the push for TWAW, sex work, normalising BDSM, and the erosion of safeguarding, because in order for men to ‘play and fulfil their pleasures’ women and children need to be dehumanised and coerced into believing they are willingly fulfilling men’s needs.

‘A tyrant does not consider himself to have established complete power until he has reached the point where there are no men of any worth underneath him; one means of stultifying their subjects other than by force was by effeminising their subjects by the introduction of taverns, brothels, games, plays, medals, opiates, these served to ensnared the populace who were given over to fulfilling their vain pleasures and fantasies, lulling subjects into subservience with a few gifts, usually taken from the subjects themselves, the subjects can offer no resistance to tyranny after their public acceptance of their own degradation and willingness to take bribes.
Century of the Self: Discourse on Voluntary Servitude – Etienne de la Boethe
mises.org/sites/default/files/Politics%20of%20Obedience.pdf

Random findings:

I can't remember seeing these articles re the creation of artificial sperm
www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/01/scientists-a-step-closer-to-mimicking-way-human-body-creates-sperm

and eggs
www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-create-immature-human-eggs-out-blood-cells-first-time-180970388/

The Most Disturbing Presentation Ever - Our Tech Nightmare (Skinners Box)

The creation of a synthetic limb that via sensors can 'feel' and behave as a real limb that has given a man his mobility and ability to climb; normalising the assimilation of tech & bodies, amazing as the technology is the presenter has to mention growing wings in the future and extending our bodies!

www.ted.com/talks/hugh_herr_how_we_ll_become_cyborgs_and_extend_human_potential?language=en

Janie143 · 23/05/2019 09:31

From clithroe's post one means of stultifying their subjects other than by force was by effeminising their subjects by the introduction of taverns, brothels, games, plays, medals, opiates, these served to ensnared the populace who were given over to fulfilling their vain pleasures and fantasies

Chilling!

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