BBC headline ‘children killed by parents’

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Talking about the family courts. I would assume, but am prepared to be corrected, that the children in question (four cases I think) were killed by fathers exclusively.

Does anyone have the source document for the article?

Children killed by parents after court-ordered access www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48230618

Why would you assume it was fathers ?

Of course you can usually assume it’s the father rather than the mother; it is almost always fathers who do this.
Mothers who kill their children are most likely to kill them on the day they are born.

Because Father's commit virtually all cases of family homicide.?

Dane
And they will be mainly female babies, in culture's where boy babies are wanted.

^ Dame sors

People could read the article and see....

It's the fathers so far.....

You do get the impression it would be a larger headline story of a mother murdering her children. There aren’t many recent casss that come to my mind.

Yep. All men.

Firstly, because the examples given in the article are fathers. Secondly because this sort of crime is overwhelmingly committed by men. And thirdly because therefore such a crime committed by a woman would be more newsworthy so if it had happened I would expect the reticle to say.

@dpwm

pure.roehampton.ac.uk/portal/files/448033/CCJ_Pre_Published_Holt2017.pdf

No they don’t. It’s practically 50:50

@dwpm

Apologies, no they aren’t! I can’t read tables.

Victims are. It’s 622:70 Male:female

@DameSvieKrin
In general, mothers kill during infancy and fathers kill in age 8 and above.
My problem with making assumptions like that is what’s the point - if fathers are doing it what’s the difference in mothers doing it? The consequence is the same! I would also assume you wouldn’t like it if an assumption was made about women?

@Dpwm I believe the ratio is about 58/52 so not a massive difference. In what culture are boy babies are wanted ? Tosh!

Did you mean to post that paper?

It's about the murder of parents and that 86 percent of the offenders are male.

I remember a thread on here where a poster was worried about her friend who had gone missing with her little boy. She was found later that day. She has driven her car into a lake killing them both.
It isn’t always fathers but it is more likely that it will be a male. Which fits general crime statistics as males are more likely to commit violent crimes than females.

*had

It's a very strange article in how it completely avoids mentioning that it's fathers. Maybe it's because due to legal restriction the BBC are not allowed to read the family court documents, so they don't actuallyknow.
The article criticizes the family courts for minimizing domestic violence (all the cases involved previous violence) but they seem to be doing a good job of minimizing or erasing male violence, by referring to the fathers throughout as "parent".

There are two mentions of "men" (attached).

In what culture are boy babies are wanted ? Tosh!

Good Lord...

Do I bite??

In the us the statistics are 40% mother's and father's are about 57%, of course this is only in the us but it's not just father's.
I was actually surprised by these statistics as I mostly only hear about the mother killing her kids

@ubiquitessness

The point is to understand why it happens and potentially prevent the pattern repeating in future.

Women more commonly kill infant children, often to conceal a pregnancy.

Men more commonly kill older children often following custody hearings and following a history of DV.

That's important to know

The posts from people who believe the statistics are anywhere near 50:50 really demonstrate why we need accurate, specific reporting of facts.

When men kill - say so.

The difference is that women kill their babies when they are infants because they have PND or similar post natal mental health issues.

Men have killed their children simply to get back at the mother.

Or, more usually, because they are violent human beings and do it in a drunken rage or similar.

There is a massive difference between female mental health and male violence/need to control women.

There is a document by Women's Aid called Nineteen Child Homicides which covers cases where children were killed after their parents had separated and the killer had previous for DV. It's harrowing reading, so I won't link it, but you can find it very easily if you wish.

And very rarely is it to do with the sex of the baby.

This is a specific statistic about children killed after court ordered contact. The article also mentions a further 4 children who were sexually abused or seriously injured or both in the same circumstance.

By fathers. Which corroborates what women who have been through the process with violent exes say - that courts don’t take violence seriously and it’s very hard to protect children from contact with violent fathers. I also think courts often don’t believe women if they have not reported the violence.