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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is anyone watching Years and Years?

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Binglebong · 14/05/2019 21:36

I wouldn't have pegged Russel T Davis as GC but the show has a child who is trans human- certainly highlights the absurdity of it all. Will be interested where it goes.

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Hulo · 14/05/2019 21:42

Yes. I'm enjoying it. I wonder if he'll get into trouble for 'making light of trans'.

Maybe the human brain is devolving

AbsintheFriends · 14/05/2019 21:45

I didn't intend to watch it because I find Emma Thompson a bit unbearable now, but got accidentally hooked. Thought the flat earth discussion was an interesting detail too...

Binglebong · 14/05/2019 22:05

I'm struggling to argue with the human race getting stupider.

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AlwaysComingHome · 14/05/2019 22:13

I doubt Davies is GC. Banana was very pro-trans.

LizzieSiddal · 15/05/2019 08:33

I liked how it was dealt with it so far.

It did make the parents look very stupid with their “we will support you whatever you are” comments.

A certain Dr on Twitter was very disappointed, so all good as far as I’m concerned.

TimeLady · 15/05/2019 08:41

Yes, the suggestion that humans are 'devolving' made me chuckle too. Grin

RoyalCorgi · 15/05/2019 08:47

I think Russell T has very much bought into the TRA arguments, from other stuff I've read. So this is interesting.

Binglebong · 15/05/2019 22:33

I too would have assumed Me Davis was fully woke but could this be a sign that even for him it's gone too far? I don't know the timelines but when was Bananas produced and when was this? Could he have changed his mind between them?

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DJLippy · 15/05/2019 22:57

Also interesting to note his hovering sex robots and porn class for 11 year olds.

I think that the trans humanist story line will be interesting. He's a massive sci fi fan so maybe he just finds the movement interesting/disturbing. It's good that it's getting transhumanism a bit more in the public eye because the links between this and trans rights is an interesting one. I don't know if trans rights is a Trojans horse for a post human cyber world but teaching children to hate their bodies and normalise extreme body modifications would be the perfect way to soften us all up

LizzieSiddal · 15/05/2019 23:00

Is transhumanism an actual thing? I’d assumed it was made up.

DJLippy · 15/05/2019 23:19

Google Martine Rothblatt. Silicone valley billionaire with some very strange ideas about the nature of humanity.

Jane claire jones take down of his manifesto here twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1021851350685167616?s=09

Thinks humans are made to transgress boundaries and that the body is just a shell of consciousness. Also happens to be trans. Currently making a robot version of the wife which is totally fine and normal.

AlwaysComingHome · 15/05/2019 23:20

Transhumanism is very much A Thing, unfortunately*.

Just caught up with this and thought it was excellent.

I thought Davies had gone off the boil a bit with Cucumber and Banana - they were rather sad retreads of Queer as Folk from the POV of someone trying to cling on the his youth - but A Very British Affair was absolutely brilliant and this is shaping up rather well too.

It certainly had me laughing and cringing in all the right places.

Very topical too - when did they add the stuff about Doris Day dying? It must have been just before broadcast.

The problem with trans humanism is the same as with transgender: the mind simply isn’t independent of the body. You may (potentially) simulate it one day, you might even make something that thinks it is you, but when you are dead you are dead*, and you aren’t going to blink and wake up in the Matrix.

LizzieSiddal · 15/05/2019 23:46

Thanks for the info! Will not google tonight as do not want to have nightmares, but will do tomorrow.

TimeLady · 16/05/2019 07:37

Never heard of the Rothblatts before, so thanks for that.

time.com/66536/terasem-trascendence-religion-technology/#

Organized around four core tenets—“life is purposeful, death is optional, God is technological and love is essential”–Terasem is a “transreligion,” meaning that you don’t have to give up being Christian or Jewish or Muslim to join. In fact, many believers embrace traditional positions held by mainstream religions—including the omnipotence of God and the existence of an afterlife—but say these are made possible by increasing advancements in science and technology.

I hope Russell T Davies explores this further.

NotTerfNorCis · 18/05/2019 12:14

I saw it last night. Definitely GC! It bundles 'trans' with other ridiculous beliefs like flat earthism. The death of critical thinking.

It was a good programme in general. Would recommend.

RoyalCorgi · 18/05/2019 15:00

Hmm. Russell T Davies was recently a signatory to the letter of the woke calling for gay men to stand up for trans rights, so I wouldn't get too excited just yet:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6804955/Equalities-tsar-Anthony-Watson-issues-rallying-cry-unite-LGBT-community.html

AlwaysComingHome · 18/05/2019 16:27

Very few dramatists are GC. A few comedians, maybe. But dramatists are all about the feelz.

We saw that with Tony Marchant and Butterfly and that Jimmy McGovern thing with Sean Bean as a transwoman.

Drama is always about somebody’s ‘truth’, never the truth.

AlwaysComingHome · 18/05/2019 16:36

Transhumanism is inherently selfish anyway. Even if it were possible to upload your brain into cyberspace (it isn’t), who’s going to maintain the hardware? Who’s going to stop the rats gnawing at your fibre optic cables? Who’s going to stop somebody accidentally pulling the plug when they are hoovering? It’s those ‘left behind’, isn’t it? And what do we get in return? What can they do for us? Why would an ‘immortal’ who hates their body enough to give it up care about the ephemerals left behind? They’d care as much as we do about ants.

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